How are people still catching the virus?

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Numbers are still so high, are people catching it from supermarkets? Does 2 metres apart still stop you catching it? Are you still pretty safe outside if you stay at least 2 metres apart?

@Mummyme87 there was no allowed ny mixing
I think its too easy to blame it all on xmas and new year mixing and not accepting that many are getting from workplaces etc

Household mixing. Grandparents and grandchildren still having regular close contact indoors, multi generational households. Elderly people not being careful or cautious enough (of course not in every case but 2 different friends on Facebook today alone showing granny cuddling grandkids).

There's overall large compliance for the "rules". So the not following rules thing is driven by the public's lust for having a pop at others and media propaganda. As the guy on C4 news said in the week, "evidence suggests people have been largely and remarkably compliant, but a story in the news about several people just sitting at home isn't that interesting".

I am amazed I've not caught it yet given that I spend 6 hours a day less than 2m from at least 20 people.

Christmas is the gift that is still giving, sadly. I'm pretty sure there will have been a lot of rule-breaking. Not to mention the schools, some of which are seeing a 75% take up of keyworker places. And people in the workplace, etc etc

"Easier/safer to get used to leaving it alone.

It was so cold today I was actually glad to have it on."

Easy to say if you find the mask comfortable. I bet you don't wear glasses.
Yes, when it's cold it can be warm for the first five minutes, after that you've got a wet mask stuck to your face, which is horrible.
I get the importance of wearing it in crowded places outside, but if I am the only person in the street, then it's just silly, but that is the law where I live.
A virologist here has said it's silly to make us wear it everywhere outside.

@benedicto can't actually find this on the ons site to read there study possibly there but not always easy to find

@BridgertonBride

essential retail needs to be tightened up

i'm in non food retail and we sell home items among essentials. its a joke. people come out to browse, bring the family too. just for somewhere to go and to buy something nice for the house. they dont need to be out

places like b&m,home bargains etc should not be allowed to accommodate browsing like that

You have to back that up with some stats showing that people are catching the virus at these shops, and not just showing people have been to the shops either.

I don't have it but as an example I can write out my schedule and potential transmissions...

I am a single working parent so need to take my dc to nursery - lower attendance than normal but still in contact with workers as well as kids (who could carry it from their families).

I also have a childminder who takes him to her house for the rest of the day - she's got three teenage kids plus her husband who is also working. She's thankfully taken a test which is negative.

Other than that the only hotspot we go to is the supermarket.

We also live in a block of flats so are touching multiple doors/railings and sharing lifts.

[quote ScrumptiousBears]**@Gwenhwyfar

The figures speak for themselves. STAY AT HOME is what we are being asked to do. Or else we'd be asked to STAY AT HOME or GO AND DO WHAT YOU LIKE OUTSIDE. We are not. It's people not doing what they are told. I suggest you are one of them as you just want to argue and make excuses. [/quote]
I'm not in the UK at the moment, but I've seen enough of what's going on and the rule is NOT 'stay at home'. It's 'stay at home' except... a list of things including going to buy food, going out for exercise, meeting one person outside and supporting/caring for someone. So you can't say that people must stay at home all the time. You need to stop frothing at the mouth at people taking their dog for a walk.

why does it need backing up with stats? its a mumsnet thread not a request to Government

i work there, its daily life for us....approx 1 in 20 not wearing a masks few once in store will move mask to chin. theres 90 of us working in store with hundreds through the doors daily. many branches have been closed with positive cases, so deep clean etc required. only a matter of time before its us. 3 staff off with it and 13 isolating right now.

customers dont want to adhere to guidelines. previous threads cry 'let them buy paint, its good for mental health'

"I am a single working parent so need to take my dc to nursery - lower attendance than normal but still in contact with workers as well as kids (who could carry it from their families).

I also have a childminder who takes him to her house for the rest of the day - she's got three teenage kids plus her husband who is also working. She's thankfully taken a test which is negative."

Yes, this means you're indirectly in contact with hundreds of people while still following the law.

@BridgertonBride

why does it need backing up with stats? its a mumsnet thread not a request to Government

i work there, its daily life for us....approx 1 in 20 not wearing a masks few once in store will move mask to chin. theres 90 of us working in store with hundreds through the doors daily. many branches have been closed with positive cases, so deep clean etc required. only a matter of time before its us. 3 staff off with it and 13 isolating right now.

customers dont want to adhere to guidelines. previous threads cry 'let them buy paint, its good for mental health'

Your company should be enforcing the mask wearing. You need to back it up with stats because you're claiming people are catching coronavirus at your shop when there is no proof of that.

@Swishswish26

Secondary schools have been closed for almost four weeks. They only opened to keyworkers on Monday so I really don’t think we can still blame schools. I would guess there is a lot of non-compliance. People aren’t as scared as they were back in March. For the most part, they have seen family and friends catch the virus and recover quickly with only very mild symptoms, if any which is why we now have Whitty telling us to ‘Stay Home’ .

I think pupils will have passed it to families. It’s very likely that the children were asymptomatic, they’ll have passed it to friends/classmates and Christmas household mixing will have really pumped the numbers up.

I know of couple families tested positive at xmas or after from school cases , no xmas mixing as they were in isolation due to burst bubbles ,then other household family members have got all though not always all family members .
Other few I know have got through work or actually don't know as they have only been to work, supermarket, walks etc and no cases known in workplace but I guess only takes one to be asymotomatic

Well I'm in a area where 1/20 have it according to our doctor and no surprise to be honest as no one listens.
Our neighbours go in and out of each other's house's, the kids play together in the street and our neighbours have had drinking sessions nearly every night from Xmas to new year with several cars parked outside their house so that's exactly how the virus is spreading in my area because no one gives a shit!!!!

Lots of people haven't been sticking to the rules. That is how it is spreading. Lots of local families had several grown up children staying for a few nights over Christmas. From London.

@ftb30

I am in Essex. We've been tier 4 for weeks and now in lockdown. There's been no change. Shops and roads still busy and lots of people socialising outdoors. It's nothing like March lockdown

My local park has been busy with families out taking exercise - so much so that you often have to step of the pathways to allow them to pass. However, roads do seem to be quieter and I'm not noticing people flouting the rules terribly much. There's a house near me where during the first two lockdowns they were having parties every weekend. That seems to have stopped now.

@Swishswish26 they have actually only been closed 3 weeks not 4

Well I feel a bit more reassured that people aren’t picking it up from delivery drivers, hopefully 2 metre rule and sanitizing my hands, hopefully will stop me catching it.

@AcornAutumn genius! Have you let the relevant authorities know your relevation. Perhaps you could apply for chief medical officer somewhere? Perhaps a really high ranking public health job?

A little knowledge.....

Schools. Ours has 70% attending still, mostly key worker kids. Last time it was 10%.

@benedicto but they haven't asked the whole uk have they and they don't mention where they get that figure from , like how many they asked.
They are undertaking a number of large scale studies. Weekly questions of big samples to measure opinions and attitudes, a huge Covid infection study (sampling about 3/4 million households in total) - testing people for COVID regardless of symptoms.If you go and look on the ONS site they will explain exactly where they get the number.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@benedicto i find it strange that they are blaming the cAses on 29/30th on xmas mixing seeing as that would if been 25th so 4/5 days before so people would of got symptoms and tested and results back within 4 days ?? Maybe a few but not all , and are we not given figures and they included tests sometimes from days before ?
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Did you read the article? It goes on to quote Public Health England.
"Taking into consideration the lag between infection, hospitalisation and death, the UK is seeing the consequences of increased Christmas mixing playing out now and into next week."
I think both ONS and PHE can be trusted as reliable and robust sources of statistics and public health knowledge.

[quote MollyButton]**@benedicto but they haven't asked the whole uk have they and they don't mention where they get that figure from , like how many they asked.
They are undertaking a number of large scale studies. Weekly questions of big samples to measure opinions and attitudes, a huge Covid infection study (sampling about 3/4 million households in total) - testing people for COVID regardless of symptoms.If you go and look on the ONS site they will explain exactly where they get the number.[/quote]
Thank you. I really do think the ONS are entirely reliable and their data is the highest quality, and very robust.
Ditto Public Health England and knowing about lag times from infection.

Compliance is really poor. Many people believe covid won't affect them as they've already had it.

The party house on our street was my next door neighbours. They both caught covid. One got really sick and went home to her parents, not long after than one of her elderly relatives died. The police called around once - I presume because of the parties. They don't have the parties now but there are still friends popping in daily and leaving late. They have some friends leave by the back garden.