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How are people still catching the virus?

495 replies

Baileysforchristmas · 09/01/2021 19:40

Numbers are still so high, are people catching it from supermarkets? Does 2 metres apart still stop you catching it? Are you still pretty safe outside if you stay at least 2 metres apart?

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CeibaTree · 09/01/2021 23:00

We don’t know if people are still catching it though OP, we’ve only just gone back into lockdown 🤷🏻‍♀️

Oneliner · 09/01/2021 23:01

Schools (still packed), then nurseries (fully open), shops and recklessness.

movingonup20 · 09/01/2021 23:01

Ps remember it takes a bit of time to then test and get the result

CeibaTree · 09/01/2021 23:04

@Fluffycloudland77

3 of my neighbours have been out for hours today in the car, and that’s just 5he ones I can see from the lounge window.
How is this relevant?? Are you sitting in your lounge spying on your neighbours, how sad. You would have seen our car gone for hours today as we were at our allotment - didn’t see a single other soul there today, and yesterday our car was gone for hours as we were at my sibling’s house (who lives alone and is our only bubble).
Fluffycloudland77 · 09/01/2021 23:10

Unless allotments grow pizzas my neighbours were not at an allotment.

Probably staying with family. Where else can you take a dog overnight now.

Fluffycloudland77 · 09/01/2021 23:12

Also round here people are getting fined for going into the next towns woods. We aren’t allowed to drive to exercise apparently.

Obviously I’ll avoid looking out my windows from now on.

Milomonster · 09/01/2021 23:16

I live in C London and had to attend a medical appointment today/ I took the tube and it was packed - totally unlike the first lockdown. Whilst most people were wearing masks, there were a noticeable number who were not. The police were patrolling the carriages and asking people to cover their faces. Doesn’t seem like the message is getting through.

chubbycheese · 09/01/2021 23:17

@Bettydot we are advising people to reschedule their checkups but any pain / swelling / bleeding needs to be looked at unless patient is in vulnerable category, and then it is up to them to decide. Our practice is within a health center however so you have GP patients using same entrance / car park etc so slightly more risky here than say a stand alone dentist.

Hankunamatata · 09/01/2021 23:18

Drove past tescos and b&q today. Carparks were full

WitchWanderer · 09/01/2021 23:19

@nuitdesetoiles

'However the media and certain health professionals ramp up the click bait stories about outliers under 40s and the like.'

You don't know that though do you! Analysis & modelling is still coming in & the scientific hypothesis that spike protein mutations in B117 enable easier connectivity with ACE2 receptors means younger people (IE < 40 yes) could well be both more susceptible to infection AND potentially severe outcomes due to increased viral-load. Not therefore exactly 'click-bait' then is it?!

MrPickles73 · 09/01/2021 23:20

Studies in Sweden suggest schools are not a major contributor. 3 of my friends have had it - one caught it from a colleague, one from a patient in a cottage hospital and the other doesn't know.

Tumbleweed101 · 09/01/2021 23:20

Two of my children had covid over xmas. My eldest dd discovered it through the lateral flow test she has to do for work. She had no symptoms at that point. When she did get symptoms she was a bit wiped out, had a headache and sore throat but said it wasn't as bad as a cold. After five days she lost her sense of smell and taste. If she'd waited until this symptom to test she'd have passed it on to work colleagues during the week and family member on xmas day.

My younger dd had a really nasty headache about a week after her sister had her positive test and a sore throat. She developed cold like symptoms and lost smell and taste about three days later.

I didn't test my youngest dd but the only sign she possibly had it too was red toes, which fit the photos I've seen of covid toes.

I tested negative when my daughter did the main test after the lateral flow one. I had a cough which may or may not have been covid related, but this was more of a typical symptom than any of the children had. I tested again at the end of the isolation period to see if I had picked it up or if I was safe for work again. I tested negative again.

I don't think the symptoms people are looking out for are the first symptoms and that is why it's spreading so much. Get a bad headache and shrug it off as a hangover, or hormonal, or migraine and you've missed a sign it could be covid. Lose your taste and smell and you could have passed it on for several days prior this before getting the test.

Fortunately for my household it was mild but if we'd seen vulnerable relatives in this time frame it could have been a very different story. Not sure how I didn't catch it though.

fibeee · 09/01/2021 23:24

The last person I know of who tested positive caught it off family on Christmas Day

MrPickles73 · 09/01/2021 23:24

And some 20 per cent catch it in hospital.

BrutusMcDogface · 09/01/2021 23:25

You seem a bit naive, op.

MrPickles73 · 09/01/2021 23:26

Children have different symptoms to adults: headache, fatigue, loss of appetite and a small number have a rash.

2020canfuckitself · 09/01/2021 23:26

Large companies telling staff to turn off track and trace while at work doesn't help

wafflyversatile · 09/01/2021 23:29

The 3 symptoms listed by our shitty govt are not how it starts for most people so they can be unaware while infectious.

Schools. Households of anyone who has been in a school. Anyone who has to work inside with other people. People who are too scared to get tested because sick pay in this country is inadequate. Managers and employers who tell staff to switch off the app when they work on the tills at the shop. Warehouses and depots for all that online shopping that still gets delivered quickly despite massive increases in orders. How that can happen while keeping staff safe? Cant really can it.

Oh no wait. It's because someone met their mate for a walk.

Twintub · 09/01/2021 23:30

Plenty of places, I work from home and do online grocery shopping. See no one but household and sanitise more than I ever have in my life. I still picked up a head cold Over Xmas which out of the whole family
I only Passed On to my mum. Who know where I got it and sometimes it’s just in the air I think. When I see people thinking
Outside is the magic prevention i wonder why it reduces but does not eliminate transmission .

Gwenhwyfar · 09/01/2021 23:30

@MrPickles73

Children have different symptoms to adults: headache, fatigue, loss of appetite and a small number have a rash.
Headaches are very common in adults too.
dottiedaisee · 09/01/2021 23:46

I had Covid over Christmas and definitely got it from work. We now have 70+Cases ..residents and colleagues. We as a team have moved heaven and earth to avoid this catastrophe! Absolutely bloody heartbreaking..have lost 10 of our residents since 4 January...they all had a good quality of life.😢

Goldieloxx · 09/01/2021 23:48

Hospitals, care homes, work places where social distancing isn't in place and schools mainly

SunKeepsShining · 09/01/2021 23:56

@WitchWanderer

Afraid to say this concept that PPE/2m SD will protect against SARS-COV-2 - or that workplaces/schools can somehow be made 'Covid Secure' by following a Risk Assess is a bit of a false sense of security. My background/training is as an epi & still know many in field (epis/virology) & still follow the studies with pro interest. Primary vector transmission is now firmly proven as air aerosols. The 2m business comes from WHO & is based on 1930/40s studies on influenza transmission by LARGE droplets. Aerosols are far smaller & studies show infectious particles can travel WAY further than 2m/6' (30' +); they have also been shown to hang around on non-vented indoor settings for 3 hours or longer, so someone can walk through a cloud breathed out by infectious person hours before & become infected. Covid is now est as infectious as measles (IE ...very) & that was orig variant - that's why will need higher than thought herd immunity (70/80%+) to oppress it. New variant B117 (2021/12) attaches far more easily to ACE2 receptors....one reason younger people are becoming more seriously I'll with higher viral-load. Unless you have FFP3 facemask (US: N95/99) I'm afraid 'face coverings' or surgical masks won't cut it - may as well have loo paper over your mouth! Also goggles btw....why oh why don't people protect their eyes... Just an epi perspective
I want to shout this everywhere for people to listen too!
Raccooons · 10/01/2021 00:02

@Baileysforchristmas

Numbers are still so high, are people catching it from supermarkets? Does 2 metres apart still stop you catching it? Are you still pretty safe outside if you stay at least 2 metres apart?
People were given full clearance to mix with lots of people on Christmas day. Those who mixed over Christmas and those who got together on New year's eve are still becoming symptomatic / are only just presenting to hospitals if they're severely unwell. Then there will be all of those kids who took it to school on Monday 4th after catching it over Christmas and spread it to their classmates - who then subsequently would spread it to their families.

The effect of the lockdown won't be seen for about 2 or 3 weeks yet.

2boysand1princess · 10/01/2021 00:02

@Swishswish26

Secondary schools have been closed for almost four weeks. They only opened to keyworkers on Monday so I really don’t think we can still blame schools. I would guess there is a lot of non-compliance. People aren’t as scared as they were back in March. For the most part, they have seen family and friends catch the virus and recover quickly with only very mild symptoms, if any which is why we now have Whitty telling us to ‘Stay Home’ .
Eh? How have schools been closed for 4 weeks? Our schools closed on the 18th dec and reopened on Monday 4th jan. Kids that picked it up in that last week, and then went home for hols and passed to others in family will only be getting the positives now? Max incubation period is 10-14 the school kids probably only started with the actual disease week starting 4th jan. Also, like most kids if they are asymptomatic and passed on to parents, the parents won’t even know until next week that they have the virus! Don’t forget cases may still spike as lots of kids returned to school on Monday the 4th too! But it’s far too early to know about them yet.