All of you up in arms over people taking key worker places?

[Wontdothisagain]

Do you also think that non essential businesses should be closed? Or do you think that they don't contribute to spread?

For example Greggs, McDonald's, Burger King are all open.

I have family who work in factories and warehouses in crowded conditions making and packing very non essential goods.

B&Q is open and today is busy and full of family groups.

No doubt The Range is the same.

Do you feel as angry about all of this than for example, an NHS admin worker using a key worker space?

@GypsyLee

We need to just have basics and skeleton staff. Fuck deliveries, takeaways, and any business that isn't necessary for survival. People are so greedy and want all the time.

Absolutely agreed.

@Thisisworsethananticpated most payroll systems can be automated a day or 2 before. You could go into the office or set the payments once your DC are in bed and then it’ll automatically pay.

But we can continue to make excuses

Apt username by the way

@GypsyLee absolutely

How do the people who want everything closed down always know exactly how busy their local B&M or B&Q or Garden centre is at any given time? Seems like they want them closed mostly so they won't be as tempted to visit and will finally be able to stop themselves.

Fair enough on payroll. I have no clue how payroll works, but there are other jobs for example benefit payments, doctors receptionist.

Let’s be honest here
It’s the anxious middle classes who are the issue here
They want precious Peter to get his education
And they want to keep their nice job
So they’ll grasp at a key worker description to send kids in
I’ve know a school accountant , a remote lecturer , a civil servant working in a non essential sector , a council officer worker , and a church worker all do this

They can all FUCK off

It’s the nurses and bus drivers who need childcare as we can’t function without them

I really despair as how entitled we ducking well are

Send my friend went in once a
Month to do this
And my firm is 100% online since March

But if people want to keep making excuses this will never ducking end

[quote StatisticalSense]@Lulu1919
Off licences are certainly essential, both for alcoholics who would be putting further pressure on the NHS if they were unable to obtain alcohol, and for the other services (such as gas and electric top ups) they often provide.[/quote]
This place sells only alcohol ....hence why I called it a posh off licence !!

Yes, close them. I saw the Body Shop in my area was doing Click and Collect over Xmas. Ridiculous.

All I know is that behind so called frontline workers, there are lots of other key roles

And if they can WFH they should
That’s the basic
Even with screaming kids
Like everyone else

Lots of council workers do things such as housing benefit payments.

Is this less or more essential than McDonald's being open.

I don't want everything closed by the way, just pointing out that these aren't straightforward situations.

I don't understand why we can't have exactly the same restrictions as in March. It was alright then, why do things HAVE to be so lax now? We have shown it is possible to do already

It is sad that many will lose jobs as there is no furlough this time, but you never know what's round the corner, even without a pandemic and looming recession.
Even our gp receptionists are wfh, bar one who opens the door for you.
If they can do it I'm sure people who are normally office based can wfh.

@Wontdothisagain

Lots of council workers do things such as housing benefit payments.

Is this less or more essential than McDonald's being open.

I don't want everything closed by the way, just pointing out that these aren't straightforward situations.

But in this day and age... this can be done from home.

It’s less about getting a takeaway here, i don’t particularly want the option but I’m aware that businesses need all the help they can get. Funding appears endless but everything mounts even though we’re already at enormous figures.

If the consumer can buy in a low transmission way it helps a bit. But there is a cost as staff are together to create product.

@GypsyLee

It is sad that many will lose jobs as there is no furlough this time, but you never know what's round the corner, even without a pandemic and looming recession. Even our gp receptionists are wfh, bar one who opens the door for you. If they can do it I'm sure people who are normally office based can wfh.

Furlough has been extended until April...

I won't in a school so key worker, my DH works in construction so not a key worker. We both need to work out of the home but if my children's place was taken off them then it would be me that would not work to stay at home with them!
I know of lots where one parent is a key worker and the other works from home and they are in school! There is one that the non key worker is a pilot and isn't working. Now that take the piss

Sorry Work!

@GypsyLee

We need to just have basics and skeleton staff. Fuck deliveries, takeaways, and any business that isn't necessary for survival. People are so greedy and want all the time.

Deliveries including takeaways allow people to remain home instead of congesting shops and supermarkets. It's also jobs and income--not everyone can get furlough payments or UC.

The economy cannot afford a full March-time lockdown.

Also, a lot of people shielding need deliveries.

Essential is a difficult thing to define.

I might give the example of furniture and suggest that this would be non-essential.

However if my work chair was to break or become damaged, it would be very essential to get a quick replacement so as not to risk long term back pain.

Candles are often given as an example of a non-essential item. A few years ago we had a power outage in winter which lasted for hours. Once it got dark, the only way we were able to see was with candles.

The current balance is probably "ok" but considering that the evidence shows people continuing to shop, closing floor space and forcing shoppers into a smaller area seems a bit stupid when the scientific advice is to physically distance from others.

It's amazing how all of these overly opinionated people on mumsnet know what's best for the country and peoples lives.

Some you should run the country.

[quote SendHelp30]@Waxonwaxoff0
Yes. Its not essential therefore not required. It’s a short term lockdown, people will have to get a grip and wait.[/quote]

Short term? Hilarious

My friend is a nurse, her husband works from home but is on zoom calls all day and can't entertain their 6 year old, who isn't a "sit down and be quiet type". My friend needs to sleep in the day before/after working a night shift, she sends her DD to school so she can get this sleep and not make mistakes at work, a mistake could potentially cost a patient their life

He is in no different a position to countless other parents up and down the country. I suspect he’s probably just bloody useless and incapable of looking after his own kid as a lot of men seem to be.

My friend is a nurse, her husband works from home but is on zoom calls all day and can't entertain their 6 year old, who isn't a "sit down and be quiet type". My friend needs to sleep in the day before/after working a night shift, she sends her DD to school so she can get this sleep and not make mistakes at work, a mistake could potentially cost a patient their life.

How is her husband different to all of the other people wfh in the country?