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1.5 million people vaccinated already - brilliant!

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buttery81 · 08/01/2021 10:42

They’ve vaccinated 1.5 million people so far and the target is 13.9 million people (the top 4 groups in the attached graphic) by the middle of February, according to ITV. It’ll be a fantastic achievement if they can hit that target.

The government will be providing daily updates on the vaccine rollout progress from Monday 11th January.

It’s such a relief that they’ve got this vaccine and are rolling it out quickly across the country. Considering that it’s only 8th January today, I truly feel like 13.9 million by mid February is achievable.

Come on, let’s do this!

1.5 million people vaccinated already - brilliant!
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thatgingergirl · 24/01/2021 10:10

Motorina - well said.

FourTeaFallOut · 24/01/2021 10:20

You might have to rejig the figures to make a comparison because Scotland and Wales might report tonight, whereas they didn't last weekend.

1.5 million people vaccinated already - brilliant!
whenwillthemadnessend · 24/01/2021 10:20

I agree moterina

Blessex · 24/01/2021 10:22

@MarionoiraM how can you be so annoyed when the EU hasn’t even approved the Oxford vaccine yet?

Blessex · 24/01/2021 10:32

And Ireland have been told that they are unable to even pre-order and receive deliveries before the EMA has approved the Oxford vaccine. According to the Prime Minister of Belgium the U.K. are using their citizens as guinea pigs and they don’t want to do that in the EU. Fine then. We will keep going with the Oxford vaccine in the U.K. and consider sending some over to the EU when they deign to get around to approving it. The attitude is galling.

MarionoiraM · 24/01/2021 11:23

What I find galling is this attitude of "Things are looking up for us, and the rest of the world and most especially the EU can go to shit". And the whole of the EU is not responsible for the statements of single politicians.

Yes, the UK was the first to approve a vaccine and is now ahead of other countries when it comes to the number of people vaccinated already. That's certainly a positive development, but it doesn't mean they are the only ones entitled to the vaccine.

AstraZeneca is expected to be approved for use in the EU next week (I would be very surprised if it wasn't), so some countries strategy is heavily based on that. However, the company is now saying it will deliver less than 40% of the doses ordered by the EU for the first quarter - but the UK supply won't be affected, so they can go on vaccinating even the less vulnerable?

That doesn't sit right with me - and nor does the attitude that the EU doesn't deserve the vaccine it ordered. Of course there is no moral obligation to help the EU like there is with developing countries who can't afford the vaccine. However, there is a legal obligation to fulfill the contract for the delivery of a certain number of doses (without, as a PP suggested, using the vaccine as a bargaining chip). I do concede another poster's point though that I don't know how much influence the government actually has in that.

IcedPurple · 24/01/2021 11:32

@MarionoiraM

What I find galling is this attitude of "Things are looking up for us, and the rest of the world and most especially the EU can go to shit". And the whole of the EU is not responsible for the statements of single politicians.

Yes, the UK was the first to approve a vaccine and is now ahead of other countries when it comes to the number of people vaccinated already. That's certainly a positive development, but it doesn't mean they are the only ones entitled to the vaccine.

AstraZeneca is expected to be approved for use in the EU next week (I would be very surprised if it wasn't), so some countries strategy is heavily based on that. However, the company is now saying it will deliver less than 40% of the doses ordered by the EU for the first quarter - but the UK supply won't be affected, so they can go on vaccinating even the less vulnerable?

That doesn't sit right with me - and nor does the attitude that the EU doesn't deserve the vaccine it ordered. Of course there is no moral obligation to help the EU like there is with developing countries who can't afford the vaccine. However, there is a legal obligation to fulfill the contract for the delivery of a certain number of doses (without, as a PP suggested, using the vaccine as a bargaining chip). I do concede another poster's point though that I don't know how much influence the government actually has in that.

I don't understand your post. The EU consists of mostly wealthy, first world nations. Britain isn't responsible for them. The EU messed up vaccine procurement, ordering way too few doses, incl millions of a French vaccine which is nowhere close to being ready, and was very slow to issue approvals. They only approved Pfizer just before Christmas, and then only after Merkel told them to get their act together. They still haven't got round to approving Oxford.

This isn't an anti EU post, but there is really no doubt that they have handled vaccine procurement and roll-out very poorly. That's on them. Britain has done a lot of things badly, but this is not their problem.

Motorina · 24/01/2021 11:33

Suggestion: I think a discussion about the politics and practicalities of vaccine order and supply is a good and valid one to have. It's certainly something I don't know much about (and I think there's very little in the public domain about the contract arrangements which might inform such a discussion). But I wonder if it might be had on a different thread, so this one might be kept for news of the vaccine rollout in the UK? I've found this thread a real sanctuary when some of the others have got ugly, and it would be a shame to spoil that with a discussion which will inevitably be contentious because it will be tied up on broader views about Europe.

readhwha · 24/01/2021 11:50

@Motorina I agree with everything you have said. This is a great thread to read normally, a nice bit of positivity.

PumpkinWitch · 24/01/2021 11:53

This a lovely thread. When the vaccine was approved I cried with relief and it is very comforting to see the numbers go up.

My auntie volunteered to help out in her hospital’s vaccination clinic this weekend (she is a manager but used to be a nurse) so more people could be vaccinated. More clinics are being set up so the daily rate should go up.

MarionoiraM · 24/01/2021 11:53

@Motorina
Ok, sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread. I just reacted to one of the posts but looking back the posts that made me angry in the first place were probably in another thread. Shouldn't spend so much time on MN ...

Motorina · 24/01/2021 11:55

@MarionoiraM don't worry! I did exactly the same thing on the previous page.

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2021 12:15

@MarionoiraM

What I find galling is this attitude of "Things are looking up for us, and the rest of the world and most especially the EU can go to shit". And the whole of the EU is not responsible for the statements of single politicians.

Yes, the UK was the first to approve a vaccine and is now ahead of other countries when it comes to the number of people vaccinated already. That's certainly a positive development, but it doesn't mean they are the only ones entitled to the vaccine.

AstraZeneca is expected to be approved for use in the EU next week (I would be very surprised if it wasn't), so some countries strategy is heavily based on that. However, the company is now saying it will deliver less than 40% of the doses ordered by the EU for the first quarter - but the UK supply won't be affected, so they can go on vaccinating even the less vulnerable?

That doesn't sit right with me - and nor does the attitude that the EU doesn't deserve the vaccine it ordered. Of course there is no moral obligation to help the EU like there is with developing countries who can't afford the vaccine. However, there is a legal obligation to fulfill the contract for the delivery of a certain number of doses (without, as a PP suggested, using the vaccine as a bargaining chip). I do concede another poster's point though that I don't know how much influence the government actually has in that.

WHO have said that it is an issue that there is vaccine inequality and some countries have far more of it than others. They have been warning of the likely problem for some time.

I don't approve of the UK using vaccine as a bargining chip, but it is my suspicion that it is something that could well happen. The UK government have said that they want to tie trade to diplomatic and foreign influence. I'd be surprised if it didn't happen tbh. The whole mentality of Brexit is precisely to put 'Britain (F)first'.

That said I don't think its that simple either.

The UK taking the gamble and making the jump to start vaccination first was always a risk but I do think also based on awareness that early on, first come was likely to be first served because these companies were unlikely (unable) to want to store large quantities themselves and if you've not approved a vaccine, some governments are going to be more hesitant and unwilling than others to want to pay for, ship and store stockpiles themselves with no guarentee you are going to use it. There seems to be an expectation by the EU that Pfizer and Oxford should have kept warehouses full of vaccine just for them rather than shipping to where it was already in use - something equally morally questionable if there is no guarentee that they would approve and you had other countries screaming out for it in desparation. Is it justifiable for the UK to have even larger shortages with the EU not having approved with Astra Zeneca sat there with millions of vaccination in a warehouse for months? Remember that more cases = greater chance of mutation, so from an international point of view you want to be vaccinating as many people as possible straight away rather than have billions of vaccines in a warehouse too...

If it is the case and the UK did risk the population being guinea pigs (which I don't think its the case fwiw - I think there was reasonable scientific basis and confidence in the decision) that could have massively backfired and that was the potential payoff. What would people in the UK and EU be saying now if that had panned out badly (it still could be)?

There are clearly some political decisions in not approving (and taking delivery of) vaccines earlier that the US and EU are going to have to take ownership of in various ways.

The other problem for the UK is that we might vaccine our population but we won't be able to go anywhere so borders will remain closed for sometime so its only a domestic solution. Its not in our interests in the long term to hoard vaccine.

And there is the risk of vaccinating people only for a new varient to pop up and have resistance so we have to start all over again which other countries may not have to do.

On top of that, I do think it is worth stressing that the UK does have one of the biggest problems in the world atm though. Our hospitals are under particular strain (in part because we have lower numbers of hospital beds anyway) and precisely because we have this new varient. Especially if the new varient is more deadly.

NO ONE wants another mutation from the UK varient in particular to one which is resistant to Oxford/Astrazeneca.

This does mean there is a compelling case for the EU for the UK to get on top of the new varient as quickly as possible, because this is of benefit to them too in the long run simply because if we don't its likely that at some point it will spread to the EU simply because of our close distance (I note the news this morning that NZ has just had a first new case in a woman who had come from Europe, isolated for two weeks as required and had two negative tests who developed symptoms two days later and then tested positive).

I do think that vaccine inequality is an issue, but with regard to the EU I think there are other things that should be considered here too. Its not as simple black and white issue as it at first appears to be.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/01/2021 12:16

Well steered back Motorina :)
I was a bit worried about the snow locally and vaccines rolling out, but the roads are being cleared quickly. I wonder if our county council has put vaccination centres in as a priority.

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2021 12:22

I may not have to stress the point too heavily that I'm not exactly anti-EU.

There is definitely some dropping of the ball by the EU that has gone on. The US has had a Trump style dropping of the ball going on. This is not the UK's fault nor responsibility.

The UK may for once actually got something right...

kitschplease · 24/01/2021 12:38

Thanks motorina - this thread definitely feels like a refuge.

Jinglealltheway22 · 24/01/2021 12:45

Sorry for helping derail the thread by going off about the EU.

Thankfully vaccine rollout is happening in lots of countries now, so fingers crossed for summer holidays 🤞

Apparently the WHO has bought 150 million doses of the Oxford (still pending WHO approval) for the first quarter of 2021, the supply will apparently come from manufacturers in India. They think approval will come in the middle of Feb.

WHO has also approved Pfizer for the covax scheme and ordered 40 million doses.

Vaccine rollout due to start under the Covax scheme by the end of Feb.

So it's a bit slow but at least vaccines will start to roll out to the poorest countries by the end of Feb.

Little by little we are getting there.

And in local news - a new mass vaccination centre due to open near Coventry some time next week.

psychomath · 24/01/2021 12:58

Trying to keep this logistical rather than political, I'm not sure supply is a limiting factor for most EU countries right now anyway. Vaccines were distributed proportionally to population size and the country that's given the most doses per capita is Denmark, at 3.39 per 100 population, suggesting all member states have access to least that amount. Only one other country is above 2.5 per 100 so far (Slovenia at 2.64) and for the EU as a whole the number is 1.89, meaning they've used at most a little more than half their stock. The slow rollout seems to have as much to do with delays at a national level as low supplies overall (though the latter won't be helping, of course).

lunar1 · 24/01/2021 13:16

The UK is using the vaccines we have approved and had delivered. I've no idea how the distribution and order priority works. No manufacturer can keep a pile of vaccine just in case a country actually approved it while there is a country working through their vaccines.

The EU may never approve Oxford, the virus might mutate too much before they do.

The UK death rate is appalling and it's in everyone's interest to get things under control. We may serve as a model nation on a bigger scale the way Israel is doing with Pfizer.

Our vaccine program cannot be reduced while we wait for other nations to decide if they want to get on board!

buttery81 · 24/01/2021 13:17

It’s snowing where I am today, which will undoubtedly slow down the vaccine rollout today - but it just can’t be helped. On a positive note, it’s looking warmer next week with a high of 11 degrees on Thursday and Friday!

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Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 24/01/2021 13:26

@ReallySpicyCurry2

I've missed this thread.

Does anyone want a hazard a guess on when blokes in their late 50s with high blood pressure will be called? My DH and my mum have had the vaccine, but my dad hasn't, and I worry about him getting covid, especially as his similarly aged friend died of it recently. He's very shaken up at it and as he's WFH is only going to the local shop really

They want all over 50s done by the end of March. We are on track to achieve that.

If high blood pressure means they have been put in a more vulnerable group it will be sooner.

psychomath · 24/01/2021 13:34

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

My next big thing is them getting to 500k a day. Once we get there or past I will sit back and relax.

It means all 9 priority groups finished in March not problem. Plus room to be doing first and second doses whilst still whizzing through the population

I haven't been keeping up with the thread or the numbers over the last couple of days and thought it would take us a while to get to 500k. Just seen the news about the last few days, and wow!! I thought I was optimistic but this program is wildly exceeding my expectations. More than 1 in 10 adults in the ENTIRE COUNTRY had the first jab before we even reached the last week of January - that is truly incredible!

Don't know if anyone's seen but the government have now released heat maps showing the proportion of people among each age group in England who have died after a positive covid test. It's clear that the vast majority of the risk is to people over 80, with a significant minority between ages 70-79, so if it's true that a single dose of the vaccine is sufficient to prevent most deaths we should be seeing much lower mortality in as little as a month.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 24/01/2021 13:37

[quote Blessex]@MarionoiraM how can you be so annoyed when the EU hasn’t even approved the Oxford vaccine yet?[/quote]
Exactly

We were lucky to approve first and therefore have had deliveries first. As well as a UK based manufacturing plant of our own.

Would you prefer we had waited for everyone sleep to approve the vaccine? So we could all start vaccinating on an even playing field.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 24/01/2021 13:38

*else not sleep Grin

Frazzled2207 · 24/01/2021 13:38

An mp retweeted a tweet earlier boasting that the uk has vaccinated more people in the uk in one day than France has in total.
Whereas I agree that we’re not responsible for eu’s strategy, it pretty tasteless IMO to gloat about this. It is in all our interests for all countries to be able to make quick progress in vaccinating. What happens in the uk might benefit individuals but isn’t going to make a significant change in the direction of the pandemic generally.