People using 'bubbles' as a way of not social distancing

[lozjay]

I'm getting so angry with rule breakers who keep justifying seeing friends and family by claiming they are in their bubble , as I was aware the whole point is not to have so called 100 bubbles of people that's why we are in this shite mess does anyone relate to these kind of humans ? 🤯🤨

I notice you haven’t engaged at all with the question of why lonely single older people should be the ones punished for people not sticking to the bubble rules.

I guess hurling insults is easier than trying to defend an indefensible position.

Personally I do think they should withdraw bubbles except for those who can’t leave their house - in that case it is important.

And I say this as a single household. I’m not utilising my rights to an indoor bubble right now as I think it’s too risky and unnecessary. All the people banging on about mental health - you do realise you can meet one person for exercise every day outside? So you CAN still have social contact with people, just outside. You could literally meet a different friend every single day for a walk.

And yes, I have mental health issues too. This is an unprecedented situation and we all need to keep indoor mixing to an absolute minimum.

@lozjay you’re arguing for the sake of arguing.
Which leads me to believe you just want to stir up bad feeling and poke and prod people for the sake of it.
Where do you draw the line? Your answer is in the government guidelines. Not everyone can have a bubble. If people are using it as an excuse then it’s the people that are the problem not the existence of bubbles.

You seem to feel very strongly that bubbles shouldn’t exist. Fine. But you’re not in charge and you don’t get to make the rules.

I've accepted now that this lockdown is not like March at all. I went for a walk yesterday, and huge groups on the beach (I live by the coast). So, I guess lots of beach bubbles?!
I haven't the energy to judge anyone. People are wearied it seems. I'm following the rules to the letter, as far as my circumstances permit. But it's really hard, when I'm surrounded by people who barely acknowledge the lockdown. It's upsetting, but there it is The vaccine is our hope

Regarding what I just said - I didn’t mean childcare bubbles or people caring for relatives which is allowed anyway. But a childcare bubble is for that; it isn’t carte blanche to sit at your mum’s for hours indoors drinking tea.

PS,. I'm entitled to a bubble. I think they're essential for mental health. But agree people are stretching the bubble rules...

It’s difficult to have meaningful sustained contact with another person if you’re limited to outside in the freezing cold, possible wet weather @picklespark

The rules get this right. There is only a limited set of people who can legally form a support bubble. No one has to form a bubble just because they are entitled to do so, but they’re extremely important for those who need them. The increase in risk is clearly acceptable to public health.

And I say this as a single household. I’m not utilising my rights to an indoor bubble right now as I think it’s too risky and unnecessary. All the people banging on about mental health - you do realise you can meet one person for exercise every day outside? So you CAN still have social contact with people, just outside. You could literally meet a different friend every single day for a walk.

Which is less responsible than seeing the same person/people only as if you lived with them, which is the single person bubble.

No thanks. I'll keep on seeing my DP as I am allowed to do (and will still do it if not) He was my main emotional support in the previous lockdown in November when my father died suddenly and unexpectedly. You can do you and worry about your own life. You have no rights over mine.

@picklespark

Regarding what I just said - I didn’t mean childcare bubbles or people caring for relatives which is allowed anyway. But a childcare bubble is for that; it isn’t carte blanche to sit at your mum’s for hours indoors drinking tea.

That’s against the rules of a childcare bubble.

Again, someone arguing against people breaking the bubble rules. There’s nothing wrong with bubbles themselves, it’s people abusing them.

@picklespark - just because you're happy spending months alone doesn't mean we are all. Certainly amongst me and my other single household friends we massively struggled being isolated in lockdown 1. My DP also lives alone and WFH just like me, it's hardly more risky for me to go and stay with him for a couple days each week.

I think bubbles are absolutely necessary. They're a lifeline for those who qualify and the guidance is clear.

But there are people who use 'bubble' as an excuse for doing what they want. I have a single friend who thinks she can see whoever she likes as long as it's only one household. She invited DH and me for dinner the other night, saying 'you can bubble with me for the night'. We didn't go.....she changes her bubble to suit what she's doing. She says she's allowed to do it for her mental health as she's alone.

I have neighbours who look after their small grandchild once a week. This apparently allows them to have the whole family over for Sunday lunches etc as it's their childcare bubble.....

Your not meant to be staying round other households how thick are some people that's the damn point of STAY HOME these people are INSANE

The OP doesn’t want a discussion, she wants to goad. Probably best not to engage.
I’m reminded of the quote ”Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway.”

@lozjay

Your not meant to be staying round other households how thick are some people that's the damn point of STAY HOME these people are INSANE

Have you changed your mind about bubbles within the guidelines being allowed or is this sarcastic? Asking for a friend.

@Haenow

The OP doesn’t want a discussion, she wants to goad. Probably best not to engage. I’m reminded of the quote ”Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway.”

But there is some novelty value to it!

Hahaha at least this is making me laugh I suppose that's one positive

Yup feel a bloody fool most of the time for trying to do the right thing

Barely seen any friends for almost a year
My kid is off school isolated from friends no idea how we will school him
Not seen my family for over a year now as they at other side of country

We have no bubbles and wouldn’t try to justify one
People are crap!!

@haenow could not agree with you more. They are deliberately ignoring the posters who are actually answering their questions and instead throwing out goady generalisations.

@Figgygal

Yup feel a bloody fool most of the time for trying to do the right thing

Barely seen any friends for almost a year
My kid is off school isolated from friends no idea how we will school him
Not seen my family for over a year now as they at other side of country

We have no bubbles and wouldn’t try to justify one
People are crap!!

Least we have sane people like you lord knows we need it

@PurpleDaisies

I suppose there’s nothing else for us to do.

You know that feeling when you read some utter nonsense and you can't help but just laugh

It needs to be made clearer so even the thickest understand, it’s one bubble and that’s it, your choice as to which one

1. Single adult/single parent can bubble with one other household, and for the single parent that bubble has to include childcare, no separate bubble for that
2. People caring bubble with who they are caring for and that’s it, no further bubble to provide childcare or anything else as well
Etc etc

Please can you link to the legislation that says this so those of us who are thick can double check, because this is not my understanding of it.

@lozjay

You know that feeling when you read some utter nonsense and you can't help but just laugh

Yes, I absolutely know that feeling.

@lozjay

Your not meant to be staying round other households how thick are some people that's the damn point of STAY HOME these people are INSANE

You can "stay round" someone's house if they are your support bubble.

You really don't understand the rules you are cross about, do you?