If you did mix over Christmas

[Jenasaurus]

Is there anyone now unwell as a result? The number of cases today is daunting and deaths are over 1000, the timeline would correspond with it being the Christmas period it would have been caught. I was thinking about this and wondering if anyone is aware that someone they saw over christmas is now unwell as a result?

An extended branch of our family (very extended...) mixed 5 or 6 households over Xmas - not all in the same place on the same day, as far as I can make out, but overlapping at different houses. About 11 people in total.

Again, as far as I can make out,

2 had been isolating completely
4 had tests and then isolated before arriving
2 had been very socially distanced and low contact anywhere. (in a low infection area)
3 had been at work / staying with a girlfriend (in a low infection area)

No one ill since.

@pissoffwhydontyou

So if you see someone you know while out and about you are supposed to put your head down and ignore them rather than passing the time of day and having a chat from a distance?!? I saw 3 people I knew on my walk today and said hello to them and had a quick chat I hope the police don’t come knocking...

@InterfectoremVulpes

This chart shows the actual date todays cases tested postive on. Obviously todays date will have more added to it over the next few days, but it does show the importance of looking at the figures by test date rather than report date

You are completely correct but people tend to ignore any reasoned argument or introduction of actual figures on here. Just not interested when they can curtain twitch instead!!

@pissoffwhydontyou

No didn't mix over Christmas , but just having driven home ( lawfully from work ) 20 mins ago you wouldn't think we were in lock down far too many people about, I don't consider standing chatting on the pavement as daily exercise No wonder we are in this mess , idiot people making any excuse as to why they are not complying

Me too, I work in a primary school, I travel along a busy A road.

1st lock down I could travel almost all the way there, and not see another car
🤔

No, no one is ill with covid here.

We saw mil over Christmas as part of a support bubble.
Dd was home from university as was allowed.
We saw friends - one other household - who stayed 2m apart on Christmas Day for a couple of hours.
I saw my parents briefly and from a distance the weekend before Christmas.

No one has been ill since and no one has had covid symptoms. We;l dd has had a cold but she was tested on arriving home and before going back and both tests were negative, both were the proper pcr tests too.

I have already had covid and I'm still struggling with the effects 3 k]months in but of our family and friends I'm the only one to have caught it. I'm also the only one who works in a busy environment with no social distancing or protection - school, where covid went round quickly and comprehensively over a 6 week period.

@InterfectoremVulpes

This chart shows the actual date todays cases tested postive on. Obviously todays date will have more added to it over the next few days, but it does show the importance of looking at the figures by test date rather than report date

Thank you for sharing that chart, it is reassuring as it looks like we are massively decreasing our cases. the majority of todays cases were from 3-4 days ago.

We did mix, against my wishes. I wish they'd all bloody stayed home, BIL who was Tier 4 and MIL who would be shielding, and us (in Tier 2 at the time). Dh is weird saying no and they all insisted and dh made a big deal that we couldn't refuse them. We are all well, thankfully. I told dh I would actually kill him, if COVID didn't do it first, if he made us sick as a result.

We saw my DPs and sibling and family
It was lovely
We are all fine

Tier 4 here - well was tier 4. Was really disappointed we couldn't meet up as originally planned. However also relieved as I was worried for my parents. I work in a secondary school - so far 4 work colleagues have tested positive since mid December (2 this week) and one was in ICU over Christmas.

I think a lot of cases are catching Covid whilst bring treated in hospital for something else on elderly wards and post op wards. This happened to my father.

@LAlady

Tier 4 here - well was tier 4. Was really disappointed we couldn't meet up as originally planned. However also relieved as I was worried for my parents. I work in a secondary school - so far 4 work colleagues have tested positive since mid December (2 this week) and one was in ICU over Christmas.

I am so sorry to hear about your collegues and hope they recover.

I felt the same as you, I was dissapointed but also relieved when we were moved up a Tier and couldnt meet.

outdoor mixing

@MorrisZapp

Anyone who got Covid 'as a result of mixing' caught it from a Covid positive person, how do you know who that person is?

There's no way of knowing how anyone caught it, or who had it to start with.

Hard to say with any certainty. In our case, it’s a smoking gun scenario. Teen 1 & 5 family members all ill. He met up (while entirely asymptomatic) outdoors with my teen, who has seen only 2 other friends over the holidays. All cases trace back to the same family. Of course it could be a coincidence.

We saw my parents and my pil for the day, as was allowed at the time. We are all fine so far.

Belladonna

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Ffs...This thread

You do realise Primark/gyms/beauty salons/schools etc were also open over Christmas
School shut on the 17th .*

Not all schools closed in the 17th in England.
Mine closed in Friday 18th.
A local school was still in on the Monday after.
Not all schools were able to make the last day(s) inset days as it was too short a notice - again!

@Briony32

I think a lot of cases are catching Covid whilst bring treated in hospital for something else on elderly wards and post op wards. This happened to my father.

Yes I heard it was something like a third of all cases are caught in hospital.

Saw my parents, we are fine as are they.
But then again I had Covid end of October, DH and DCs untested but had the same symptoms, and my Dad also had some of the same symptoms. My parents are our childcare bubble anyway.
Missed seeing DHs family as they are older.

We didn't mix over the holidays. I do know three families who did, and who are ill at the moment (my DC's tutor, my best friend and her parents, and a work colleague.)

My grandparents both just recovered from it and it does seem likely they picked it up while one was admitted to the hospital in November.

Yes I was reading something suggesting that too OP, something like 33% in hospital and another large chunk in care homes. Pretty sure these people weren't mixing en masse over xmas.

I unhappily “cancelled” Christmas as reframed from mixing outside of my small household bubble. Not ideal as video calls are never a substitute. It’s barely acceptable for work colleague or client meeting substitute but not for close family members. Despite frequent proactive negative testing (acquired privately for peace of mind) I opted for “guarantee” safety than any unnecessary risk. Extended large family include very vulnerable elderly as some of their life changing medical treatments have already been postponed owing to lack of medical capacity. However many other family members are expats overseas and all cancelled usual annual in person reunion family gatherings in England.

Was hopeful this was to be a one off but no longer confident this will be possible as mutating Kent and South African variants may defeat or reduce vaccination efficacy and so maybe this Christmas may also be impacted too.

Why do people continue to either believe this is a hoax or at best continued superficially face covering adoption? Surely the pandemic is out of control because of lack of personal community wide contact moderation? Do mask exemptions, mass public transport, overcrowded supposedly closed schools and non essential office roles etc help to prevent asymptomatic infection and super spreading?

Would it not be long term gain with short term strict lockdown pain - to ultimately save more lives and livelihoods?

We had one set of parents over for a few hours during the day (Tier 3). Everyone agreed to isolate for the two weeks on the run up to it and no one has been ill since.

No one unwell atm BUT 18yo had online college the last week of term (so was 2 weeks without seeing anyone outside the home come Christmas day), 14yo was SI as year bubble closed for last 2 weeks of term, I'm WFH, my support bubble bloke is working but in a large workshop and only 2 of them so very socially distanced.
We spent Christmas day with my mid-70's parents, who aren't doing very much at all outside the home.
So risk of any spread was minimal anyway.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

I unhappily “cancelled” Christmas as reframed from mixing outside of my small household bubble. Not ideal as video calls are never a substitute. It’s barely acceptable for work colleague or client meeting substitute but not for close family members. Despite frequent proactive negative testing (acquired privately for peace of mind) I opted for “guarantee” safety than any unnecessary risk. Extended large family include very vulnerable elderly as some of their life changing medical treatments have already been postponed owing to lack of medical capacity. However many other family members are expats overseas and all cancelled usual annual in person reunion family gatherings in England.

Was hopeful this was to be a one off but no longer confident this will be possible as mutating Kent and South African variants may defeat or reduce vaccination efficacy and so maybe this Christmas may also be impacted too.

Why do people continue to either believe this is a hoax or at best continued superficially face covering adoption? Surely the pandemic is out of control because of lack of personal community wide contact moderation? Do mask exemptions, mass public transport, overcrowded supposedly closed schools and non essential office roles etc help to prevent asymptomatic infection and super spreading?

Would it not be long term gain with short term strict lockdown pain - to ultimately save more lives and livelihoods?

There is absolutely no proof that the so called Kent and South African variant will reduce vaccine efficacy, that is merely a scaremongering tabloid story.

There has just been a very good academic (non peer reviewed at present) article published on the biorxiv.org website on 4/1 from the Uni of Washington, in which they state that they are confident that current vaccines will be efficacious.

Spent the day with the in-laws. Decision was made easier by the fact that the dc hadn’t been in school for 2 weeks before.
All are well.

I think what we are seeing is the result of Christmas shopping and schools 🙁