Teachers...are kids actually expected to properly remote learn this time?

[WallopDollop]

Genuine question... Is this going to be different to the last lockdown in terms of remote learning?

I know things were different at different schools but last time it very much felt like if they do the work they do it, if they don't they don't 🤷 and to be quite honest, a lot of the time ours didn't do any school work except a few online maths /English games for an hour or so.

Will this time be different in that will they be expected to actually complete proper work, will they be marked as absent if they don't etc...?

Like many others' experiences, our school provided about twenty mins a day guided work in the first lockdown, and the rest we did ourselves by choosing Oak Academy stuff, and teaching things I remembered from my own Y5 & Y6 ("let's learn the countries and capitals of South America!").

Last term however, during the class all isolating for a fortnight, it was completely different, and excellent - the only things I was required to contribute to the school day was a small bit of marking, and playing with DS at break and lunch. I imagine it's going to be closer to that this time, but am aware the teachers many have their own children to look after, as well as the children who will still attend in person.

Ds2 has to be live online tomorrow , seems to be mixture of online lessons and google classroom
It was going to be all this week revision lessons as were supposed to be doing mocks next week ans btech real exam feb
But don't know what they will do now as he said exams can't go ahead as before, lots saying cancelled but I heard not going ahead as usual , so that could mean different things

Ds2 also been told to be dressed appropriately but not said has to be uniform
I feel for teachers having a load of 15 year olds in live lessons

Genuine question here.... for all those saying the children need to be registered every morning/afternoon and csll in sick if unable to work etc.... how do I get 3 dc doing this at the same time on 1 device? 1 at secondary 2 in primary.

@3littlewords

Genuine question here.... for all those saying the children need to be registered every morning/afternoon and csll in sick if unable to work etc.... how do I get 3 dc doing this at the same time on 1 device? 1 at secondary 2 in primary.

You need to let school know if you don't have enough devices as they may be able to help you.

Our state school, Year 2, are expecting proper learning and progress marking. 3 live zooms a day, all work uploaded to seesaw, we need to upload 3 pieces of work a day. Register is taken on zoom.

The difference to last time is the live teaching on zoom. They were pretty good in lockdown 1 and did upload 3-4 pieces of work a day . They have distributed work books to do the work in and work sheets, presumably so it is all in one place, for evidence of progress.

We are in the contingency framework zone so they have had 2 weeks to prepare, they also had some years isolating last term and took that time to plan/prepare.

I teach secondary English. We have been told to revert to Teams - we did at least one Teams session per subject per week during the summer lockdown, but now every lesson should have some element of live teaching. We have given out a good number of laptops to students - mostly our own, some from the D of E.

The way I'll do it is by teaching for approx 15- 25 mins of each hour, then setting the kids an independent task to do. Sometimes we will go through this at the start of the next class, sometimes I'll ask them to send the work for marking. If they send it, I'll mark and return as quickly as I can.

It's far from perfect. Many will struggle, some won't bother, those that do will receive a poorer experience than they would in school. But it's necessary.

Oh and I spent yesterday evening consoling my own kids who had just had their summer exams thrown up in the air (y11 and y13). It's hard for everyone rn!

I think the expectation ( from government not schools!) that the curriculum continues for primary ( partic younger primary) is just going to increase disparity. So many groups will have a far more difficult time - kids who lack tech, space, kids who have two working parents, kids of single parents who work, those whose parents aren’t fluent in English or confident in subjects, kids on the SEN register who don’t have an EHCP. It’s profoundly depressing. Personally I wish they had suspended the curriculum again for primary ( or the earlier KS). Schools could still have provided ‘learning’ activities for those parents and children that want them.

Last time I set work with links to quizzes and video clips on showmyhomework, and was available via email.
This time I'm video live teaching 5 lessons, with 3 small children at home.
This may not go well

This is what I'm really really struggling with. I have a 6 yo who's supposed to be at morning registration via zoom in uniform for lessons. I work from home on said frigging laptop?! Just what am I supposed to do?

My dd used a phone last time - the phone app is actually massively more user friendly and easier for a child to navigate. She did have a laptop bit found the phone far easier

School has got plans for Teams... Not sure how I put the children in front of it? If I gaffer tape them down to stop them running away, do you think that's OK or will it count as a safeguarding concern? Actually, that would get them in as vulnerable...

How old are your dc? - they sound not much more than toddlers if you have to take that sort of measure. Pre school or reception at a push? It won't be hours of online learning. They'll just be using teams to give activities to do in jotters or tasks in the garden etc

I’m not exactly sure how ours is going to work now we’ve had such a massive uptake in KW and V places because we’ll have to be teaching them in school and then also providing the remote learning. There’s too many children in for us to do a rota, all non vulnerable staff will have to be in full time. Whether we all take the kids from our own classes and then do remote learning at the same time with the others - I don’t know. We are finding out this morning. No one expected to have about 400 children in.

@midnightstar66

School has got plans for Teams... Not sure how I put the children in front of it? If I gaffer tape them down to stop them running away, do you think that's OK or will it count as a safeguarding concern? Actually, that would get them in as vulnerable...

How old are your dc? - they sound not much more than toddlers if you have to take that sort of measure. Pre school or reception at a push? It won't be hours of online learning. They'll just be using teams to give activities to do in jotters or tasks in the garden etc

Your shitty little comment isn’t massively helpful for those of us who have children that refuse to engage with home learning.

It’s obvious the poster was being tongue in cheek but sadly that is the reality for many of us. I either gaffa tape my child to a chair or he disappears off to roll around on the floor refusing to engage with the work. Yes he potentially has SEN, No the school are not interested because he is keeping up with the curriculum (when at school).

@littlestpogo absolutely :(. This could become a real problem.

@littlestpogo

I think the expectation ( from government not schools!) that the curriculum continues for primary ( partic younger primary) is just going to increase disparity. So many groups will have a far more difficult time - kids who lack tech, space, kids who have two working parents, kids of single parents who work, those whose parents aren’t fluent in English or confident in subjects, kids on the SEN register who don’t have an EHCP. It’s profoundly depressing. Personally I wish they had suspended the curriculum again for primary ( or the earlier KS). Schools could still have provided ‘learning’ activities for those parents and children that want them.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Very depressing.

@midnightstar66

School has got plans for Teams... Not sure how I put the children in front of it? If I gaffer tape them down to stop them running away, do you think that's OK or will it count as a safeguarding concern? Actually, that would get them in as vulnerable...

How old are your dc? - they sound not much more than toddlers if you have to take that sort of measure. Pre school or reception at a push? It won't be hours of online learning. They'll just be using teams to give activities to do in jotters or tasks in the garden etc

Ds2 is 14. He point blank refuses to get out of bed and turn the laptop on. He's been offered a school place but would refuse to go in if I accepted it. Tbh it would have been easier when he was a toddler!

We (my school) did a survey of students to check who had access to a device they could use during the day and a space to work. Those who didn't were loaned devices or offered places in school. We're doing a full timetable of Google classroom lessons. So far the kids who aren't logging on are the same kids who don't do their homework normally. Some parents complain it's too much doing live lessons, others complained it was too little when we didn't. Dd's school (primary, ks1) does video lessons which I prefer for her age.

The live video safeguarding thing also seems to be very confusing.

11 yr old told not to have audio or camera on due to safeguarding, a chat on teams text.

9 year old no live video and no requirement to see them visually online each day due to safeguarding.

7 year old on Zoom lesson, they want to physically see each child for safeguarding reasons.

None expected to be in uniform thank goodness as 7 year old has ASD and likes to spend most of his time in his pants at home, I had to wrestle him back into clothing in time for his Zoom lesson today that he couldn't engage with at all.

All of this supposes that I have 3 devices allowing them go online at the same time.

Mine are at Secondary Schools - they are providing lessons on Teams, following the same timetable as their normal lessons. They have registration, PE lessons, Assembly, everything. The lessons are a bit shorter than real life lessons and then they will usually get worksheets to complete after the lesson. So far it’s going well. DD 15 has been engaging really well, DS 12 gets distracted so we have been sitting and working alongside him (he has headphones on). DH and I have laptops provided by our own work so that’s fine, and we got each DC a laptop when they started secondary school as I was aware how much work needs to be done online.

The WiFi does struggle though if everyone is on Teams at the same time - DH has spent a lot of time improving the WiFi in the house, I am fortunate that he enjoys fiddling about with that kind of stuff.

I get the impression that a lot depends on how comfortable the parents are with technology as to how easily the children can access the work.

For primary school, DD 9 has a timetable each day with worksheets for each session and one or two live lessons per day. She loves the live lessons and I think feels very grown up. In the afternoon there might be a reading session or a link to a yoga video. It’s hard because she needs help with the work so I usually have to catch up on my own work in the evening or weekend.

I think if I had younger children I think it would be much harder, and I wouldn’t worry so much about strictly following the school work.