Teachers...are kids actually expected to properly remote learn this time?

[WallopDollop]

Genuine question... Is this going to be different to the last lockdown in terms of remote learning?

I know things were different at different schools but last time it very much felt like if they do the work they do it, if they don't they don't 🤷 and to be quite honest, a lot of the time ours didn't do any school work except a few online maths /English games for an hour or so.

Will this time be different in that will they be expected to actually complete proper work, will they be marked as absent if they don't etc...?

Teachers - please don't assume any positive feedback last lockdown was genuine. We were being kind, and trying to be supportive - it was a difficult situation to be thrown in at the deep end.

We were being kind.

What I was really thinking was - every other industry has stepped up to working online and you can't even provide more than a weekly emailed bunch of twinkl worksheets and 'project' suggestions requiring full parental involvement and absolutely no direct contact?!

And by the time schools were back open and kids were settling in we were just so grateful (and you have done an admirable job since then, thank you).

It's been a stressful time for us all. But I hope the provision has drastically improved for this time round.

@justanotherneighinparadise

Extra bingo card points if the academically able kids are sitting in a massive, beautifully decorated room in their stunning houses. We all live to see that.

What exactly do you want from remote learning?

Teachers can't do right for wrong.

@SoDiorDarling

This is what I'm really really struggling with. I have a 6 yo who's supposed to be at morning registration via zoom in uniform for lessons. I work from home on said frigging laptop?! Just what am I supposed to do?

Does anyone know?

@RememberSelfCompassion Not if they shouted for schools to close and then don't provide some proper remote teaching. Links to Twinkl worksheets and BBC Bitesize won't be enough this time if they still want parents to support them.

We have been provided with a suggested timetable. It is on Google classroom and has links to various places. Today it suggested a Maths lesson (Oak academy), Times Tables Rockstars, English lesson (Oak Academy), P.E (either Joe Wickes or Zumba produced by P.E teachers) and reading.

I worked 1:1 with my DD today and we only got the Maths lesson, TT Rockstars and half the English done - although she did practice her instrument too. Some of that was technical issues. Apparently any work uploaded will be marked. But unless I'm missing something I have to upload the work onto the 'suggested timetable' for this week. But I can't 'hand it in' until the end of the week as then I can't upload anymore? I've asked about this but not been answered yet.

I'm not sure going forward how much will be done as I have an older DC I need to work with too.

Well it's got to be better than the selection of free trial version of site usernames we got sent last time and a batch of downloads from Twinkl shoved on the school website with a "don't contact school" message. I'd guess it took all of 15 minutes to put that pile of shite together - and it WAS a pile of shite.

And sorry but sod the MN teachers but I think that this time if the remote learning is anywhere near as shitty as SOME schools put on offer last time - that they fucking well DO deserve to be called to account for it - and parents have the right to bloody say if their kids are getting shit like "colour this picture in" as their "learning" without being accused of teacher bashing with the pathetic fucking flowerbombing antics.

How exactly am i Supposed to home school a 4 year old?! 🤷‍♀️

If they are then our school will need to seriously up their game. Last years online schooling was a shoddy affair and was completed by a very bored child in half an hour a day.

@Ruled

Teachers - please don't assume any positive feedback last lockdown was genuine. We were being kind, and trying to be supportive - it was a difficult situation to be thrown in at the deep end.

We were being kind.

What I was really thinking was - every other industry has stepped up to working online and you can't even provide more than a weekly emailed bunch of twinkl worksheets and 'project' suggestions requiring full parental involvement and absolutely no direct contact?!

And by the time schools were back open and kids were settling in we were just so grateful (and you have done an admirable job since then, thank you).

It's been a stressful time for us all. But I hope the provision has drastically improved for this time round.

Well that's ridiculous.

Many schools did an amazing job and will have received extremely well deserved feedback.

For what it's worth, the one I worked at didn't. I received undeserved feedback. We are doing better now.

Don't generalise your experience when talking to teachers who may have done an incredible job and worked their absolute socks off.

This is why we aren't providing live lessons on Teams. All of our students have Chromebooks but we know that they will struggle for internet connection (as parents will also be using it to work) or they will be expected to share their Chromebook with siblings from other schools.

We are providing online resouces at the time of a normal timetabled lesson; that can be Powerpoints to follow with questions to complete, research tasks, videos from Youtube or staff but they must be of small size to be easily downloadable. Students will have a phonecall or Teams meeting (depending on IT resources) with their form tutor once a week, and staff are expected to provide actionable (a reasonable length, not just a quiz) feedback on one piece of work per subject per week.

Year 11 and 6th form are having a live session with each subject teacher once a week but this isn't a lesson as such but a Q&A session; we are approaching it with flipped learning. Students have resources provided 48 hours before the session and then the teacher can question and discuss the topic with the class. Thsi worked really well last year with Year 12 teachers and these sessions had a high level of engagement especially compared to live traditional lessons.

Surely if the curriculum is expected to continue this time then children will have to do work and submit it and have the amount of work submitted monitored in some way (worksheets or online teams or zoom or whatever). Otherwise you'll have some children doing nothing who'll surely fall behind and others doing everything?

@Ruled

Teachers - please don't assume any positive feedback last lockdown was genuine. We were being kind, and trying to be supportive - it was a difficult situation to be thrown in at the deep end.

We were being kind.

What I was really thinking was - every other industry has stepped up to working online and you can't even provide more than a weekly emailed bunch of twinkl worksheets and 'project' suggestions requiring full parental involvement and absolutely no direct contact?!

And by the time schools were back open and kids were settling in we were just so grateful (and you have done an admirable job since then, thank you).

It's been a stressful time for us all. But I hope the provision has drastically improved for this time round.

How can teachers provide remote learning that will adequately suit 30+ children?

In this thread alone:
*Anger at expectation pupils will be online at a set time
*Anger at no live lessons
*Too much reliance on shared devices
*Not enough online learning and 'shitty' tasks.

People cannot be pleased. In a class situation teachers can group and adapt support as needs arise this is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE. Learning is set in advance on the teacher's premise that they know the child's usual attainment.

Funny how none of the teachers on MN were the ones providing only the useless shite

To be fair I do know some teachers in RL who really busted a gut doing online lessons etc. so I know how hard a lot did work. Sadly not in our local schools though!

I also feel teachers cannot win with primary. Some parents want wall to wall live Zoom lessons but others don't have enough devices or broadband to manage that.

Essentially the problem is that little kids can't learn independently and if parents have to work and can't help them it won't work. No amount of live lessons will solve that issue because the kids are not going to just sit there absorbing it.

Secondary DD has a full timetable of online lessons but they all had chrome books and Google classroom before any of this started and she can be expected to manage by herself.

Primary DS it so happens we have plenty of devices in this house (desktops, laptops, iPads) because DH is in a tech industry. However what we do not have is decent broadband. We can't get it in this area. If DH and I try to have a Zoom meeting at the same time it freezes add in 2DC and we have no hope.

Our school has Google classroom tasks set and videos of lessons but nothing live and I support that. We can also message the teacher and she will mark the work and give feedback.
I really can't see what DS is going to get out of a live lesson at his age.
Some parents are up in arms desperate for the Zoom lessons whilst apparently 25% accessed none of the online learning at all the last time.

@newyeary Can I ask how your school is justifying that? DFE said all schools had to have quality remote provision ready to go by Oct half term (or that's what our SLT told us..).
Are you not doing any live lessons or pre-recorded stuff? Not even assemblies or story time (assuming you're primary)?

I’m really happy with the work set for my reception aged child. @ivfbeenbusy if you DM me I will send you the link if you think it would be useful.

The only problem i have with home learning is that DS only has the classroom codes for about 4 of his lessons. We have sent multiple emails asking for the others and nothing. So he missed 3 lessons today and is therefore already behind.

Parents will complain if its teams or zooms because they are working full time and cant supervise their children on them.

Parents will complain of it isnt interactive enough.

Parents will complain if there is "only half a day" (forgetting that its quicker one to one and without assemblies and all the other faff)

Parents will complain of there's too much as they just cant do it with their child if they're working.

Parents will complain if signposted ti resources such as bitesize or oak academy

Parents will complain if worksheets are chosen instead.

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DS is a teacher. He was already planning to deliver a full timetable via Teams from tomorrow. Has been and bought some equipment today (at his own expense). Teachers at his school who can't work from home because they don't have equipment can go into school and deliver their lessons from an empty classroom.

also feel teachers cannot win with primary. Some parents want wall to wall live Zoom lessons but others don't have enough devices or broadband to manage that. Essentially the problem is that little kids can't learn independently and if parents have to work and can't help them it won't work. No amount of live lessons will solve that issue because the kids are not going to just sit there absorbing it.

Yes, I think the people who were so keen for live lessons might not be so keen in a few weeks time. We've already seen here how people don't appreciate their house being on show, too. I'm glad we'll be focusing on recording short manageable tasks and giving parents as much flexibility as we can about how / when the work is done. The class zooms will be nice to keep in touch with the class but won't be a must attend.

I agree it's hard to please everyone.

My biggest concern with this time is that the curriculum is expected to continue and yet there doesn't seem to be any way to ensure all children can adequately access work (or be supervised enough by parents to complete it). Surely this will be so detrimental to some children?

I'd honestly rather the twinkl sheets and the not really work that we had last time when the gov suspended the curriculum. As it felt much more if you can do it great, but if not then it won't cause a huge problem.

So because some kids might not have the technology to watch lessons, the best approach is to not even try and to just go with the lowest common denominator instead, i.e. worksheets and links?! I don't think so.

Teachers - just get off this thread now. Teacher bashing at it’s worst. Disgusting. Wonder if OP is mumsnet stirring up trouble (and posts) or Daily Heil?

I'd honestly rather the twinkl sheets and the not really work that we had last time when the gov suspended the curriculum.

Brave but honest. I do remember forcing a smile during the last lockdown when one parent said "I don't know why you bother with all this handmade stuff. Did you know they do little booklets on twinkl?"

@SoDiorDarling as a teacher (secondary) I think your school's expectations are unreasonable.
You should contact them- explain the situation and ask they record all the live lessons they do and send them to you or share them for everyone (as you are unlikely to be only parent with this issue)

You can then try and fit in a few hours of those recorded lessons with your DC when and where you can every day. In your situation I think 2 hours worth of recorded lessons is reasonable to cover, plus some reading for pleasure together. One hour at 8am and one in your lunch break?
I do appreciate it is going to be exhausting for you.