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Email from Head - primary school will be open on Monday

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CloseSchoolsProtecttheNHS · 02/01/2021 22:15

Just had an email from our head teacher 'reassuring' us that the (primary) school will be open as usual to all pupils on Monday morning. Personally, I find this far from reassuring in the middle of the worst part of a pandemic. We are in a county that borders London and rates are over 600 per 100,000.

I'm assuming the staff are either non NEU or have agreed to go in anyway? How can the Head be SO sure they'll open, as to actually write an email on a Saturday night saying so?

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Parker231 · 02/01/2021 23:48

I think primary and secondary should be wearing masks not just secondary. It’s from kindergarten in some other countries

pumpkinpie01 · 02/01/2021 23:49

Tier 3 here , got e mail tonight saying they will decide midday on Monday if they will be opening. Feel quite mithered now as we both work and there was no mention of any key worker provision.

JacobReesMogadishu · 02/01/2021 23:49

Plenty of adults are getting “forced” to wear a mask all day at work. Ok, I suppose technically they could resign. But in the real,world people generally have bills to pay and can’t just Jack it In.

I have to wear a mask for hours on end. I find it uncomfortable, I’m hot and dehydrated. I’m standing up and talking. Plastic apron as well, so even hotter. But I get on with it.

JacobReesMogadishu · 02/01/2021 23:50

But sitting at a desk, working.....I’m sure kids can manage to wear a mask. They’re more resilient than they’re given credit for.

1stMrsF · 02/01/2021 23:53

@JacobReesMogadishu

Plenty of adults are getting “forced” to wear a mask all day at work. Ok, I suppose technically they could resign. But in the real,world people generally have bills to pay and can’t just Jack it In.

I have to wear a mask for hours on end. I find it uncomfortable, I’m hot and dehydrated. I’m standing up and talking. Plastic apron as well, so even hotter. But I get on with it.

But you are an adult. You have perspective, you understand the bigger picture. You are also getting financially compensated for working. Children, not so much.
ineedaholidaynow · 02/01/2021 23:53

DS has said he wants masks to be mandatory in classrooms. He has to wear them on the school bus and in other communal areas

1stMrsF · 02/01/2021 23:55

@ineedaholidaynow

DS has said he wants masks to be mandatory in classrooms. He has to wear them on the school bus and in other communal areas
Great for him, and I wish he felt able to do so. It's not the same for everyone though.
Redwinestillfine · 02/01/2021 23:55

I'd rather have my primary kids home than forced to wear masks all day. Online learning is fine for a while.

Parker231 · 02/01/2021 23:55

www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-pre-schools-face-masks-shields-children-under-6-13148548

Singapore have increased the mask wearing compulsory age from two years to six year olds. A country which has handled Covid better than the U.K. and one of the best education systems in the world.

WaltzingTilda · 02/01/2021 23:55

Our local primary school is closed (covid hotspot) and we received a letter from HT saying the preschool will be open as usual. They only do 3 hour morning sessions. Can't see why the preschool has to be kept open if the primary school is closed (maybe I am missing something). Not sending my dc in.

WaltzingTilda · 02/01/2021 23:57

(Letter by email)

Tanith · 02/01/2021 23:57

I'm not sure why they think Primary children are incapable of wearing masks.
I got some for our Early Years and infant aged children: they were using the dolls nappies as pretend masks so it was obviously something they wanted to explore. They have been voluntarily wearing them in their play.
They are 2-6 years old.

1stMrsF · 02/01/2021 23:57

Early years settings (pre schools) are open in all areas and unaffected by the hotspot announcements.

Panickingpavlova · 02/01/2021 23:58

I totally get some dc can't wear one and lessons need to be adapted to allow the dc out more if they have to wear them but for the rest, is it really such a big ask for for a few weeks? Maybe this is why some people are crying out for dc mh because their dc are utterly pampered and pandered too?

Theotherrudolph · 02/01/2021 23:58

Every year reception teachers complain kids can’t do up their own coats or shoes, can’t use cutlery properly, wet themselves, pick their nose, lose their jumpers and put on each other’s, fidget with things etc etc. You think those same four and five year old kids can wash their hands, put on a clean mask (which they haven’t already lost/eaten/dropped in a puddle), fit it properly around their face, not touch or fiddle with it for several hours, carefully remove it and dispose of it safely then wash their hands again? With a 1:15 ratio? They’ll end up wearing each other’s, half wearing them, touching them, chewing them and generally spreading virus around that way instead. Just close school.

Panickingpavlova · 02/01/2021 23:59

My 8 year old could wear one properly, I'm sure the juniors all could.

ineedaholidaynow · 03/01/2021 00:00

DS would prefer remote provision but if he has to be in school he would prefer everyone to wear masks

1stMrsF · 03/01/2021 00:00

@Tanith

I'm not sure why they think Primary children are incapable of wearing masks. I got some for our Early Years and infant aged children: they were using the dolls nappies as pretend masks so it was obviously something they wanted to explore. They have been voluntarily wearing them in their play. They are 2-6 years old.
I don't think that younger children voluntarily exploring them in play makes it OK for older children to be forced to wear them all day. That sounds like a normal response for small children trying to make sense of the crazy world around them. Let's hope it doesn't have to be anything more than role play.
CovidHalloween · 03/01/2021 00:02

Heads should not be wasting their time writing these useless wishful thinking emails about open up because it’s not going to happen and instead ask their teachers to prepare for online teaching. Being realistic here... it’s going to happen sooner or later. Time to face the music and stop dithering and biting head in the sand.

Panickingpavlova · 03/01/2021 00:03

I actually saw someone demanding school is open, kids need to be in schools, then declared, school also needs to be covid free, in the sense that it's somewhere they can escape it for a while and as such, she was '' fumin''' that an English lesson also had some mask and covid safety in it!

Not fair she said!! School should be somewhere they can escape from all this...

Fumin'

OppsUpsSide · 03/01/2021 00:04

I teach EYFS/KS1 and honestly I don’t think I could do social distancing and mask wearing for me/them. They’re so little, when they are sad you can’t not cuddle them, they need the reassurance etc it’s a bridge from nursery/home into proper schooling.
But, we’ve had to move in with very vulnerable relatives so I will be keeping my DC home and isolating from my own family. What a sucky start to the year!

RedToothBrush · 03/01/2021 00:06

@Panickingpavlova

What about tory councils? Will they stop it?

It's going to depend on what the qcs say. What argument they come up with.. Everything in the end comes down to the law and I guess if heads want to take a punt after legal advice on their school safety... Or councils or the gov!

The domino effect may still happen - and it still puts pressure on government

The thing is though, its not purely about politics and thats an issue even for Tory Councils. The headteacher's union and one of the teacher's unions have launched a legal challenge saying they are being required to work in unsafe conditions and they will not continue to do so.

The government have closed schools in some areas for some reason and SAGE have advised the government to keep schools closed. It provides a rather awkward scenario for them. They have to now prove why they have closed in some areas but not others and crucially exactly why and on what criteria.

Remember its councils who are the direct employers here and the ones directly liable. Thus I think there is definitely a question mark about what happens if they require schools to open without first making sure that health and safety in the workplace is adequate. They need some formal government clarification at this point to cover their own arses. If the government don't come up with the goods, what option do they councils have?

They are potentially open to getting a court case from an employee or even a parent if they make a decision without a solid defence.

So councils are in a difficult legal position pending the outcome of those proceedings and I suspect thats more of an issue than the government are willing to admit.

I have a feeling that tomorrows interview with Johnson the BBC will be massively evasive and will piss people off and be a complete car crash as he won't be able to get away from the subject - he will want to talk about Brexit and the Vaccine programme not schools. This will make Gav top of his shit list. And as the day progresses things are going to get even more heated as pressure builds if dominos start to fall. I'm not sure what time Burnham is speaking tomorrow morning, but it looks like the timing is potentially being set up to ambush Johnson's tv appearance and to set the agenda for that interview.

I'm not convinced that the government position will last the course of the day for these reasons. It may - but it depends on just how much Labour areas are prepared to back the unions and / or what they are being told in terms of legal advice - with the latter perhaps being more important/relevant but the former being the thing thats used to deflect and blame Labour by the government.

Its all dreadful. The kids are stuck in the middle of this, with far less consideration being given to them by the government than they are saying. The teachers have been hung out to dry completely and have been let down by government who haven't considered their well being. And the councils are being left to pick up the pieces of the government's mess.

And it is all down to poor management by government who have tried desparately to get teachers demonised and completely alienated the unions in the process of not giving a damn about covid security in schools. And its all going to come to a head tomorrow.

We may well not know what the heck is happening until 7 or 8 pm (at least) tomorrow night from how this is progressing.

Theotherrudolph · 03/01/2021 00:08

“I'm not sure why they think Primary children are incapable of wearing masks.
I got some for our Early Years and infant aged children: they were using the dolls nappies as pretend masks so it was obviously something they wanted to explore. They have been voluntarily wearing them in their play.
They are 2-6 years old.”

Before I stopped taking my children shopping in October my youngest asked to wear a mask sometimes in Tesco etc to be like Mummy. She was helped to do it safely and it inevitably only lasted for a maximum of twenty minutes before she’d had enough. In play is one thing and I’m very happy for her to explore that. Very different to a rigid expectation for several hours each day. She plays shops but I don’t expect her to do a 35 hour week at Tesco.

RedToothBrush · 03/01/2021 00:09

@CovidHalloween

Heads should not be wasting their time writing these useless wishful thinking emails about open up because it’s not going to happen and instead ask their teachers to prepare for online teaching. Being realistic here... it’s going to happen sooner or later. Time to face the music and stop dithering and biting head in the sand.
Yep. Thats the thing. Its either now or in a couple of weeks anyway imho.

The sooner it is, the quicker it finishes.

Thats your bottom line.

For all the talk of exit strategies, the issue is the positivity rate is so high, it says that the virus is out of controlled management so lockdowns are the only option open to us. The alternative is constant closures anyway due to staff shortages or kids getting it.

Bewildered2021 · 03/01/2021 00:11

And what happens when little ones cough and sneeze in their mask during the day and keep touching their masks throughout the day?