AIBU to stand up for children and parents...

[alwaysraining123]

... and say that closing schools is not an option. Some observations.

(1) millions of children will suffer poorer mental health, educational deficits and be at risk of physical harm.
(2) if schools close now the government will struggle to get them back open.
(3) the unions are playing a highly political game preying shamelessly on people’s fears.
(4) online learning is of no use for most of the primary school years. Parents basically need to be available all day to support children.
(5) more parents are going to find themselves unable to work causing more financial hardship. This won’t affect your middle class sahps or people who can work from home as much- there are people who actually have to go out of their house to earn a living.
(6) if you’re parent and you’re worried you can keep your child at home.
(7) educational transmission of the virus is low and infection control standards can be escalated where needed.

Whatever is done we need to place maintaining educational provision for children at the heart of it. We need to make it work...there’s no other option.

@CaramelCandle

Couldn't agree more. Schools need to stay open and children need the education they have a right to receive.

This 'right' could cost a life.

Schools arnt closed because teachers decided to hire a cruise and go on a holiday... Jesus, same sentence copied and pasted over and over again even if the world is collapsing around you...

@Saylethewayles

I actually cannot get my head around why people aren't getting that the option of letting the virus do its thing and loosening the restrictions literally is not a viable choice. We would end up in the situation we are in now and then some. Mental health, education and the economy would be fucked anyway.

Yes!... news is everywhere , scientists are talking, graphs are showing yet... willfully blind.

Yanbu

If the children in school who parents are key workers and the bubble busts home for 2 weeks

Dod someone just say 2 or 3 % of cases are detected in schools?! That is TINY. In areas of low transmission, the false positive rate is very very high, as Dominic Rabb agreed live on TV. Of those tiny number of cases who get it, what us the risk of death? Around 0-0.1% . You lot have all been completely brainwashed by fear. It's like Stockholm syndrome. We are sleepwalking into a police state and you're all cheering them on and begging for more. Even though most of you have a greater statistical chance of being run over by a car. Utter madness. What will you ask for when this lockdown doesn't work? Perhaps you'll beg for us to be glued to our homes?

Going by the uptake of KW places on another thread and I’d say you spoke for more people than let on on here op.

And yes they will struggle to get schools open again and harm to dc you listed and financial struggle in other point are becoming apparent or will do.

@Loustew12

Dod someone just say 2 or 3 % of cases are detected in schools?! That is TINY. In areas of low transmission, the false positive rate is very very high, as Dominic Rabb agreed live on TV. Of those tiny number of cases who get it, what us the risk of death? Around 0-0.1% . You lot have all been completely brainwashed by fear. It's like Stockholm syndrome. We are sleepwalking into a police state and you're all cheering them on and begging for more. Even though most of you have a greater statistical chance of being run over by a car. Utter madness. What will you ask for when this lockdown doesn't work? Perhaps you'll beg for us to be glued to our homes?

I think you’ve got this figure incorrect. The rates at the end of term were that 2 to 3% of the school aged population had the infection. Which is what,10 times the population average?

@babybythesea

In my school today, just under 50% of pupils were in. This is the worst of both worlds. School hasn’t closed so plans were all for face to face teaching. With half the class in, what do we do? Deliver it for the children who are there? What about the ones who aren’t? It’ll have to be redone for them at some point anyway. Can’t do anything online (some parents let us know at 8.30 this morning their children weren’t coming in so no time) so the kids at home are getting nothing. So today was essentially babysitting for half the school while the others carried on their holiday. It was fun but bugger all to do with education.

At least if we closed we could plan decent online learning for all. We can’t force people to send their children in. This half and half doesn’t work for any of our children. (And before anyone comments, we will be open for key worker children if we need to, but in the summer term, the key worker children were all the children of the staff who work in the school. We have one child that technically qualifies but her mum was one of the people who chose not to send her in today...)

If you’ve only got one child who qualified why are 50% of the pupils in. Or are they all vulnerable?

@Loustew12

Dod someone just say 2 or 3 % of cases are detected in schools?! That is TINY. In areas of low transmission, the false positive rate is very very high, as Dominic Rabb agreed live on TV. Of those tiny number of cases who get it, what us the risk of death? Around 0-0.1% . You lot have all been completely brainwashed by fear. It's like Stockholm syndrome. We are sleepwalking into a police state and you're all cheering them on and begging for more. Even though most of you have a greater statistical chance of being run over by a car. Utter madness. What will you ask for when this lockdown doesn't work? Perhaps you'll beg for us to be glued to our homes?

You're talking bollocks. Testing produces more false negatives than positives. 2 -3% is all it takes given the exponential nature of infection rates for this virus.

We aren't sleepwalking into a police state by taking active measures against a PANDEMIC when ICUs are overfilling fast, but you may have sleepwalked into a cult of muddled thinking and misunderstood concepts.

And given the easily googleable death rate for covid Vs car collision fatalities - do you even believe the rubbish you're spouting @Loustew12?

@BungleandGeorge she was posting yesterday, when schools were supposed to be open

bungle The world moves too quickly for me to keep up. I wrote that on Monday - we opened as we were due to and supposed to, but with fewer than half the children actually turning up, although technically they should all have been in.
I was cross because indecision by the gvt, saying things were getting worse, but schools had to stay open, meaning loads of people were reluctant to send their kids in, put us in the position of not being able anything decent in terms of education. As it is, my post is null and void since Boris changed his mind at 8 last night, and we can now offer decent online education since all of them will be at home, as our key worker has said she doesn’t want her in...

Anyone who's interested, this is the explanation behind that 'Raab said 93% of results were false positive'

fullfact.org/online/dominic-raab-93-percent/

Of course only a fuckwit would have drawn that conclusion from the words used, but it turns out there's plenty of those in Facebook all sharing the same shitty memes and hopefully ingesting bleach.

twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1346364332242837505

@babybythesea sorry, Misunderstanding all my fault! Nobody can defend the utter shambles of what happened yesterday. It’s very obvious from communications from school that this time headteachers didn’t have a clue about this and that teachers are now desperately scrambling to sort every thing out. Not to mention that they’ve now managed to needlessly increase the infection rate for all concerned.

Nope. Because of the high number of cycles used in the PCR test (above the recommended number) it is highly unreliable and false positive rate is much higher than the false negative rate. My brother is consultant and even he doesn't rely on the PCR test has meaning much because it picks up old fragments of dead and no longer infectious particles. None of that is disputed. I do believe there is a more infectious strain going around, I don't doubt that. But I also have no faith in the figures used to justify lockdown given that I personally know of at least two suicides recorded as covid deaths. And flu has mysteriously disappeared and we're expected to believe that there is no misdiagnoses going on at all. I think you need to stop being so naive.

@Loustew12 have you seen the hospital admission numbers?

personally know of at least two suicides recorded as covid deaths.

If true that is really shocking

Obviously far too late but I am totally with you OP.
School closure is a total disgrace.

@thefallthroughtheair

Obviously far too late but I am totally with you OP. School closure is a total disgrace.

But if schools don't close, rates will not come down, hospitals will be completely overwhelmed, sick people will be left to die at home (as is already happening in America). www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-55549037

Education is continuing as best as possible. It's not ideal but it's better than throwing away lives unnecessarily.

Education can be recovered. Death is it - there is no recovery.

@thefallthroughtheair

Obviously far too late but I am totally with you OP. School closure is a total disgrace.

Why? Major increase in cases and hospitals overwhelmed and people who need regular care are in trouble. When do you think school closure will not be a disgrace?

@Lastfreakinglegs

personally know of at least two suicides recorded as covid deaths.

If true that is really shocking

Exactly- IF it's true. Remember people can claim anything on the internet.

Personally I highly doubt it. Death certificates can not be faked or false. They are legal documents signed by a doctor involved in the patient care, there is a whole process of checking before they are issued.

@Loustew12

Nope. Because of the high number of cycles used in the PCR test (above the recommended number) it is highly unreliable and false positive rate is much higher than the false negative rate. My brother is consultant and even he doesn't rely on the PCR test has meaning much because it picks up old fragments of dead and no longer infectious particles. None of that is disputed. I do believe there is a more infectious strain going around, I don't doubt that. But I also have no faith in the figures used to justify lockdown given that I personally know of at least two suicides recorded as covid deaths. And flu has mysteriously disappeared and we're expected to believe that there is no misdiagnoses going on at all. I think you need to stop being so naive.

More lies, so many lies, don't listen to this person