Headteacher unions begin legal proceedings against DfE

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NAHT and ASCL start legal proceedings against DfE

When you actually think about it most of our keyworkers have been treated terribly. They’ve all be shafted in one way or another. NHS workers, Teachers, university lecturers in health, retail workers, police, transport drivers... the list is endless. All one way or another shafted.

The only people I can see that have done reasonably well out of this are MP’s and people in very senior positions who can work from home and save a lot of money.

Absolutely agree Coffee.

@CoffeeCreamandSugar

Yep, as always. But then these arseholes keep getting voted in so ..... 🤦‍♀️

Because we all have to wear masks in supermarkets. The numbers entering are controlled. They are large, well ventilated spaces.

No they do not and no they are not

By all means though, invite retail workers to start threads! I'll support any measure they want put in place to increase their safety

As a retail worker myself, I've seen only 2 retail threads on here and they were just down to earth support threads, with no hysteria.

But hey! let's all go out on strike. Let's just all refuse to work. NHS, retail, bin men, police, social services !!! Lets all sit at home on our collective arses. That would be great help during a crisis wouldn't it

let's all go out on strike. Let's just all refuse to work. NHS, retail, bin men, police, social services !!! Lets all sit at home on our collective arses.

Oh, I see you are misinformed. No one is proposing a strike. No one is refusing to work. No one proposing to sit at home on their arse.

Flax if your workplace does not have adequate safety procedures you need to talk to your management as the first step. They should not be leaving you unprotected in your role. If my local supermarket workers felt the same and raised/publicised the issue I would 100% support them.

It doesn’t sound like you’re being protected in your workplace. I understand that is stressful. What I don’t agree with is you denigrating others who are doing what you should be doing.

But hey! let's all go out on strike. Let's just all refuse to work. NHS, retail, bin men, police, social services !!!

As has been said repeatedly it’s not a strike. It’s H&S legislation. I would encourage any of the groups you have listed to use it if they felt their workplace was unsafe.

Might have missed this, but what’s your job Flax?

Smileeachday not in my daughters primary school. Not 1 bubble sent home. They have done a fantastic job, I can't praise the teachers in my daughters school enough. They kept themselves & the children safe & happy, they did an excellent job. Us parents played our part doing anything they suggested to help them keep everyone safe.
This is all sounding like a political battle that unions want to win to prove a point to the government. I'm afraid it very much seems to me & every parent on our what's app group today that the children have been very much forgotten about.

I work for a construction firm. Our workforce can & have refused to go on sites where they haven’t felt safe. Their is of course some risk, they travel in vans and work together in pairs. But would quite reasonably refuse to work in close proximity to 30 odd others for hours at a time. Us office staff are able to work in an office with only 1/2 others with a good 3m distance. We’d refuse to work if there were too many people for the space.

@Flinstones

Smileeachday not in my daughters primary school. Not 1 bubble sent home. They have done a fantastic job, I can't praise the teachers in my daughters school enough. They kept themselves & the children safe & happy, they did an excellent job. Us parents played our part doing anything they suggested to help them keep everyone safe. This is all sounding like a political battle that unions want to win to prove a point to the government. I'm afraid it very much seems to me & every parent on our what's app group today that the children have been very much forgotten about.

Great. Our school have also done everything possible. We've had five bubble closure and 12 cases of covid that i know of. It's luck.

But hey! let's all go out on strike. Let's just all refuse to work. NHS, retail, bin men, police, social services !!! Lets all sit at home on our collective arses. That would be great help during a crisis wouldn't it

This is a really bad take . They will still be working.

Smileeachday not in my daughters primary school. Not 1 bubble sent home. They have done a fantastic job, I can't praise the teachers in my daughters school enough. They kept themselves & the children safe & happy, they did an excellent job. Us parents played our part doing anything they suggested to help them keep everyone safe

I’m pleased this is the case. I’d have said the same about my large secondary- one case in Term 1.

Then after half term? Same procedures, same relentless cleaning, masks in corridors etc etc - there were multiple cases every single week.

In school procedures can mitigate, but it’s also just down to luck and wider community numbers.

This is all sounding like a political battle that unions want to win to prove a point to the government. I'm afraid it very much seems to me & every parent on our what's app group today that the children have been very much forgotten about

I could honestly cry. You are so very far from the truth. I’m a teacher. I’m the DSLO. Stop telling me I’ve forgotten about the children.

what else was going to happen when you have classes of 30 plus sitting shoulder to shoulder unmasked in the middle of an airborne pandemic? Like how the actual fuck was this going to end any other way?! Magic? A 'can do' attitude?

Exactly. Catch anyone on this thread choosing to be in a room with 30+ unmasked kids all day every day and feeling safe.

And @Flaxmeadow, what part of working all day at home delivering online learning is compatible with striking? This isn't a strike, because teachers will be working. Just not in a room with 30 unmasked kids. Because the latter isn't safe, either for them, or for their pupils and their families.

not in my daughters primary school. Not 1 bubble sent home. They have done a fantastic job, I can't praise the teachers in my daughters school enough. They kept themselves & the children safe & happy, they did an excellent job. Us parents played our part doing anything they suggested to help them keep everyone safe

You do know that it's most likely just luck that your school didn't get a positive covid case as yet?

I caught covid. I didn't break any rules and I did what I could to keep myself safe, especially as I am clinically vulnerable.

3/4 of the staff at my school caught covid despite following the rules and guidelines, not having close contact outside of class bubbles or with any other me,her of staff, and despite school doing everything they could to keep us safe.

Sadly once it's in and takes hold then the inevitable happens.

Just luck not to have it in your school and bad luck if it got in and took hold, in most cases.

Smileeachday not in my daughters primary school. Not 1 bubble sent home. They have done a fantastic job, I can't praise the teachers in my daughters school enough. They kept themselves & the children safe & happy, they did an excellent job. Us parents played our part doing anything they suggested to help them keep everyone safe

But it only takes one super spreader to change all that. My daughter's school went from that scenario to having to close for two weeks, in the space of a few days, when the virus charged through the school with sudden and scary speed. A whole department of teachers tested posiitive, in addition to non-teaching staff and many of the older children.

You haven't worked in a supermarket, they worked when there was no safety measures at all, exposed to thousands of households, and at the height of the pandemic

Very few retail and supermarket staff work with close contact for significant lengths of time with 30+ of the same people all day.

When I go in a supermarket the longest time I spend stood near a worker is at the till. Even with a big shop this is for a few minutes, maybe 10 minutes max. I am wearing a mask and usually the worker is behind a screen or wearing a mask.

Exactly. Catch anyone on this thread choosing to be in a room with 30+ unmasked kids all day every day and feeling safe.

You do realise that families go in supermarkets, and that kids go in them as well, hundreds of different ones, from hundreds of different households, everdyay

And @Flaxmeadow, what part of working all day at home delivering online learning is compatible with striking? This isn't a strike, because teachers will be working. Just not in a room with 30 unmasked kids. Because the latter isn't safe, either for them, or for their pupils and their families.

This is a strike proposal. This is exactly what it is. Stop trying to name it as something else.

This is a strike proposal. This is exactly what it is. Stop trying to name it as something else.

No it bloody isn’t. No one is intending not to work.

'let's all go out on strike. Let's just all refuse to work. NHS, retail, bin men, police, social services !!! Lets all sit at home on our collective arses.'

'Oh, I see you are misinformed. No one is proposing a strike. No one is refusing to work. No one proposing to sit at home on their arse.'

Yes a walkout get it right, or a failure to walk in until teaching staff are vaccinated of course! Not a strike oh nooo..

@Flinstones

Have you all forgotten the children in all this!! Poor children finding out last minute on Monday there school is closing. How confusing, frightening & very sad. Carry on congratulating yourselves.

You're right. It was dreadful of GAV to announce that they wouldn't return to secondaries straight after Christmas and testing would be set up with further details to follow.

It was awful of GAV to put this on HT and teachers.

Then to make further last minute decisions.

Same as it was to still be producing guidance 7 hours before schools opened and stating that no funding would be given.

I totally agree that the governments lack of planning and ability to think critically has had an awful impact on pupils and staff alike.

Shame they don't care.

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NAHT and ASCL start legal proceedings against DfE

This is such a relief. Control needs to be removed from this government so far as is possible.

When people keep posting the same shit over and over despite having been corrected it is clear that they are not posting in good faith and therefore not worth bothering with.

Very few retail and supermarket staff work with close contact for significant lengths of time with 30+ of the same people all day.

Is this some kind of joke?

Many supermarkets have low ceilings, especially metro style ones. They are crammed with people. They have no windows, no ventilation and thousands of households are in them all day, including children, and many do not wear masks. Many staff don't wear masks. Screens, masks etc were not introduced until the summer. Social distancing measures have been intermittent

When I go in a supermarket the longest time I spend stood near a worker is at the till. Even with a big shop this is for a few minutes, maybe 10 minutes max. I am wearing a mask and usually the worker is behind a screen or wearing a mask

Wow so it's all about you then. Not the staff at the till who by proxy deal with a different household every few minutes, all day long!

@Piggywaspushed

because supermarket staff are at more risk of exposure

that really is not born out by the PHE weekly surveillance reports.

And the DfE and PHE have been to asked to produce the data they are more at risk than education staff.

Still no one knows why they've refused ......🤔

@itsgettingweird yep, what a mess Gavin and the tories have made of it all. I feel like Gavin has been set up to lose his job for a while.