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They are going to close the schools again aren’t they.

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Amithetoxicone · 01/01/2021 22:18

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Sickofthiscrapp · 01/01/2021 23:09

@JellyBabiesSaveLives
How do you know about 6.45 am Monday?
Or did you mean it ironically?

lcdododo · 01/01/2021 23:14

NEU have an urgent meeting tomorrow with a new proposal. That'll be interesting

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 01/01/2021 23:17

@Jungfraujoch

We jumped from T2 to T4 on NYE. DS2 is yr 11, notification today that it’s online learning next week (would have been mocks) then in school 11th with mocks starting 18.

Poor boy doesn’t know if he’s coming or going - I wish they’d just cancel the exams so at least we’d know where we are!

His school doesn’t appear to have been too affected - notified of less than 10 cases since Sept. they had to wear masks EVERYWHERE in school for the first 2 weeks back but now it’s only whilst moving around school, not compulsory in classrooms. I hear there’s discussion by D of E re mask wearing - bit late now!

Pretty much the same here tbh. I fully expect Yr11 DS to go back in for one week, and then for all of the schools to close again by the 18th, so Yr8 DD won't get back in at all.

It's the frustration I'm finding hard to cope with. We all KNEW the reopening of schools was going to be a problem, but the way the govt have handled it has meant it's bloody well impossible for schools to plan anything. As soon as they put one timetable in place, everything shifts again - with bugger all warning.

My area got shoved into Tier 4 before our local NHS Trust were officially informed. It was leaked to the media before the actual Trust knew. So how do we expect schools to manage in this environment?

SoupDragon · 01/01/2021 23:19

How many bloody threads... 🙄

SoupDragon · 01/01/2021 23:20

I've worn out my "hide" button. If only there was a convenient coronavirus topic where they could all be hidden at once 🤔

FusionChefGeoff · 01/01/2021 23:21

By far the biggest issue that is solved by closing schools is the general population who think 'oh well they're at school anyway so I'm therefore OK to do x y z"

It was a massive problem at the beginning and didn't change until the schools shut.

People STILL don't appreciate that the rules are at a societal level and NOT an individual situational risk assessment.

ktp100 · 01/01/2021 23:22

I really wish they would.

Yes it's a massive inconvenience but I just don't see how we're going to get on top of this thing without it.

Amithetoxicone · 01/01/2021 23:23

Soup dragon I’m sorry, you’re right. I don’t know how to change it but I will. Hope you have a good evening. ☹️

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Frazzled2207 · 01/01/2021 23:25

@FatGirlShrinking
Agree absolutely. I’m in GM where rates are climbing but well below where they were in late October and many schools got through unscathed. Only one bubble closure in my kids’ primary.
Also agree absolutely that NO parent should be fined for keeping their kid off.

hedgehogger1 · 01/01/2021 23:29

No one wants them to close, but it is necessary, reports in the telegraph of hospital wards full of kids struggling with COVID. (Although the story has mysteriously vanished, it went like this)

Covid wards 'full of children' for first time in pandemic, warn nurses
Clinicians say high levels of nursing vacancies and staff sickness will make it near-impossible to use Nightingale hospitals
By
Patrick Sawer,
SENIOR NEWS REPORTER
1 January 2021 • 7:00pm
Paramedics wearing PPE prepare to remove a patient from an ambulance at The Royal London Hospital on December 31, 2020
Medics are starting to see “whole wards of children” suffering from Covid for the first time during the pandemic, a senior nurse has warned.
Laura Duffell, a matron at King’s College Hospital, London, said the new strain of Covid was affecting children and younger adults with no underlying health conditions in worrying numbers.
She said: “It’s very different. That’s what makes it so much scarier for us as doctors, nurses and porters and everyone else who is working on the front line.
“We have children who are coming in. It was minimally affecting children in the first wave... we now have a whole ward of children here and I know that some of my colleagues are in the same position, where they have a whole ward of children with Covid.”
Ms Duffel, a Royal College of Nursing branch official, described a picture of NHS hospitals close to buckling under the strain of rising numbers of Covid patients.
She told Radio 5 Live on Friday: “20 to 30 year olds with no underlying conditions are coming in. In intensive care you could have up to two or three very sick ventilated patients at the moment, which is far beyond what you should have.
“Some of my colleagues across London have been looking after up to 15 adults on a Covid ward with one health care assistant supporting them, so you don’t stop.”
Senior clinicians have now warned that severe staff shortages mean there is little prospect of the Nightingale hospitals riding to the rescue of the NHS as it struggles to cope with the imminent threat of being overwhelmed by Covid patients.
Consultants and nursing leaders say that high levels of nursing vacancies, coupled with high numbers of staff themselves going off sick with coronavirus or stress will make it near impossible to use the Nightingale hospitals built around the country at the start of the pandemic.
The makeshift hospitals were built at sites across England at an estimated cost of £220million, including in London, Manchester, Bristol, Sunderland, Harrogate, Exeter and Birmingham.
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Of these the Exeter site received its first Covid patients in November while Manchester, Bristol and Harrogate are currently in use for non-Covid patients.
But Mike Adams, the Royal College of Nursing's England director Mike Adams said on Friday that the expectation that the Nightingale hospitals could deliver a significant increase in capacity was "misplaced".
He said: "I have real concerns that the expectation that this mass rollout in capacity can happen is misplaced because there aren't the staff to do it. If we are having to cancel leave to staff these areas, the obvious question is where will the staff come from to open the Nightingales?”
There are already one in eight nursing vacancies, with existing shortages in the type of Intensive Care Unit nurses needed to treat the most severely ill Covid patients, and recent figures showed that one in 10 Covid admissions to hospital are front line health workers - depriving the NHS of badly-needed staff.
Professor David Oliver, a trustee of the Royal College of Physicians and a senior consultant working on Covid wards, told The Telegraph: “Where are the staff going to come from for the Nightingales? The day-to day, hands-on care is carried out by nurses and health care assistants and there already aren’t enough of them.”
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The warnings came as the picture across hospitals struggling to cope with a spike in Covid cases grows ever more serious, with consultants estimating that London hospitals are now operating at more than 200 per cent over capacity and even those hospitals in regions not as badly affected by the current wave working at 150 per cent over capacity.
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Medics transport a patient from an ambulance to the Royal London Hospital as the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues CREDIT: HANNAH MCKAY/Reuters
Clinicians say this means beds being placed closer together to make space, increasing the risk of cross infection between patients, and other Covid beds being moved into “every corner” of a hospital. Some major London hospitals have been forced to treat Covid-19 patients in ambulances.
As a result a growing number of non-Covid patients are having to wait longer for potentially life saving treatment for conditions such as cancer.
Department of Health data shows there were 23,813 people in hospital with Covid-19 in the UK as of December 28, the most recent figures - more than at any other point during the pandemic, even during the devastating first wave in March and April.
Some 1,847 of these patients were on ventilators in intensive care units.
There are now real fears NHS hospitals are close to being overwhelmed, with some doctors predicting this could happen when the wave of infections from the Christmas and New Year period hits them in two weeks.
Dr Shondipon Laha, a consultant in critical care medicine and honorary secretary of the Intensive Care Society, described the situation in London hospitals and some parts of the north west, as "dire".
He added: "We are close to being overwhelmed now and we will be overwhelmed soon. We are already at the limits. It's very worrying.”
Dr Laha said that patients would soon have to be transferred beyond their immediate region to areas around the country in order to create space for new admissions.
"Covid patients will soon be piling up in casualty departments because there will be nowhere else to treat them. The second peak we’re going through now in London is going to be massive. Bigger than anything we’ve ever experienced,”
“On top of that some planned operations are having to be delayed because there is no capacity at the moment to deal with them, which means people are not being treated for life threatening conditions such as cancer, including brain and stomach cancers.”
NHS England medical director Stephen Powis has described the Nightingale hospitals as "our insurance policy, there as our last resort'"

All hospitals are struggling and it seems that it's kids who are spreading it

user1472151176 · 01/01/2021 23:29

I am literally screaming inside. I'm in the North and it feels like we are being forgotten. No one seems to care. I'm sorry, I know its not great for everyone when schools close but I'm genuinely feeling really concerned for the wellbeing of my children and family. The hospitals are being overwhelmed, this truly could be disastrous. The vaccine is being rolled out. We just need to hold on a bit longer. An extra couple of weeks won't make much difference to the children but could make a huge difference for the NHS. I don't know where I stand if I keep my children home and what the fine will be and if it gets enforced. Friends on Facebook are being suspiciously quiet. Are we all thinking of phoning our children in sick on Monday??

AliTheMinx · 01/01/2021 23:29

I really hope not. The last lockdown with schools shut was utterly miserable... DS's junior school coped amazingly last term with no closures. The children were so much happier in school with their friends.

TheoriginalLEM · 01/01/2021 23:29

I hope so too or this is going to just go.on and on.

My DD has covid now and im.scared. every time she coughs i get a knot in my stomach.

ALL schools need to close and possibly have no online learning for a few weeks, giving schools the time to put together consistent remote leaning and the government need to invest in this significantly, we absolutely cannot have a tiered education system where some children are disadvantaged simply based on where they live. If kids are at school and then get made to isolate then they miss out compared to their peers. Its not fair, we are playing with our childrens futures. We need to stop Fucking about now

FatGirlShrinking · 01/01/2021 23:29

@FusionChefGeoff

By far the biggest issue that is solved by closing schools is the general population who think 'oh well they're at school anyway so I'm therefore OK to do x y z"

It was a massive problem at the beginning and didn't change until the schools shut.

People STILL don't appreciate that the rules are at a societal level and NOT an individual situational risk assessment.

Agree that this attitude is a problem. We have stuck to the rules, we do not socialise with any other households, we haven't set up any bubbles, we've seen family outdoors in public places, socially distanced at all times for very short periods of time, just to exchange Xmas/birthday gifts or say hello.

We consider it imperative to stick to the rules because we want DD to be able to continue to attend school and because that school attendance makes us a risk to family members who are CV. However I know from social media, what I see at school drop off/pickup and conversations at school gates that lots of people seem to think that sleepovers and play dates are fine because the kids are together all day anyway.

It just seems such a shame to deprive kids of the normality of school and interacting with their friends, just because some adults are too stupid or defiant to change their behaviour and minimise risk.

callistography · 01/01/2021 23:32

They really need to get a grip and close all Tier 4 schools. Where I am has the same rate as one of the London boroughs that they've just closed. Yet we're open on Monday. WTAF?

BuzzingTheBee · 01/01/2021 23:32

Yes

MooseBreath · 01/01/2021 23:34

I genuinely want schools to remain open, but I can't see how that can possibly happen with the number of cases and deaths we have. If we're locking down (which Tier 4 effectively is), contact in schools needs to be stopped as well as all the other measures in place.

GloGirl · 01/01/2021 23:36
Sad
ofwarren · 01/01/2021 23:37

twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1345126413398118401?s=19
Front page of the telegraph tomorrow
Teachers unions demand ALL schools close

lcdododo · 01/01/2021 23:39

@ofwarren

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1345126413398118401?s=19 Front page of the telegraph tomorrow Teachers unions demand ALL schools close
Yup. NEU meeting tomorrow
GuyFawkesDay · 01/01/2021 23:39

Data from October is irrelevant with the new strain. It'll rip through schools. Kids are being hospitalised in increasing number.

Skysblue · 01/01/2021 23:43

All London primaries now closed: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55511169

Expect more u-turns to come.

This is shit eh.

A kid near me has sepsis and two hospitals turned him away because they were full. He was pretty ill by the time they got him into hospital number 3.

Someone upthread said the problem is everyone thinking “oh well they’re mixing at school anyway so I may as well break this rule...” This is a big problem.

Also a problem is that when they close schools they remain open for children of key workers - which would be sensible, but it now includes many people on that list who shouldn’t be on it, we had half the class in when the school was ‘closed’ - for example a dental admin assistant who can do 100% of her job remotely sent hers in for example because “I’m a keyworker!” I know a lot of people on that list who should not be on it.

FlatteredRhubardFool · 01/01/2021 23:43

I wish they would, or at least give parents a choice, especially those who are CEV. Tier 4 in the north west here and dc not back in until Thursday anyway so by then I hope they decide to close. I find home schooling stressful so I'd like some warning to get planning some lessons for ds. Dds will get remote learning set as they'd school is great. The primary is less geared up for remote learning. He's only 5 so he's not a crucial year but I still worry if I'm doing a good enough job.

Fortherosesjoni70 · 01/01/2021 23:50

@Skysblue

All London primaries now closed: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55511169

Expect more u-turns to come.

This is shit eh.

A kid near me has sepsis and two hospitals turned him away because they were full. He was pretty ill by the time they got him into hospital number 3.

Someone upthread said the problem is everyone thinking “oh well they’re mixing at school anyway so I may as well break this rule...” This is a big problem.

Also a problem is that when they close schools they remain open for children of key workers - which would be sensible, but it now includes many people on that list who shouldn’t be on it, we had half the class in when the school was ‘closed’ - for example a dental admin assistant who can do 100% of her job remotely sent hers in for example because “I’m a keyworker!” I know a lot of people on that list who should not be on it.

OMG this is what I fear! Getting turned away from hospital esp with kids.
Redwinestillfine · 01/01/2021 23:53

I really hope they do all shut. This is getting scary now.

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