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Hospitalisation Rates in Children

355 replies

ClimbDad · 01/01/2021 22:01

Mumsnet removed a thread discussing hospitalisation and risks to children following the LBC interview with the hospital matron.

The Department of Health publishes hospitalisation figures by age. Daily hospitalisation of children is currently averaging 40 to 50 admissions.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

The admissions criteria is designed to exclude children who are in hospital for other reasons and catch Covid-19.

I don’t know what we consider an acceptable level of risk. We haven’t had that conversation as a country, but I feel sorry for the hundreds of families living through this horrific experience every week.

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autumnboys · 01/01/2021 23:33

Why aren’t we allowed to talk about this?

Littlefiendsusan · 01/01/2021 23:33

Marking place

Fortherosesjoni70 · 01/01/2021 23:34

As for the school thing I honestly believe that with the current numbers, schools should be online.

Pomegranatespompom · 01/01/2021 23:36

Hmm I will find out tomorrow. The info all seems a bit jumbled - not terribly clear.
We had 7 paediatric patients in the north London area on New Year’s Eve. Certainly not wards full.

TillysMum02 · 01/01/2021 23:37

Yet still half of our customers will come in store with no mask

Exempt you see. They can’t do a 20 min in/out essential shop with a mask.... and with schools shut, kids will be with them. Fantastic!

PurpleDaisies · 01/01/2021 23:38

It’s interesting that that nurse hasn’t responded to any of the posts on her Twitter feed asking for clarification or evidence on what a ward full of child covid patients meant.

I am very sceptical about that story.

Panickingpavlova · 01/01/2021 23:40

She would do serious harm if she's lying. Serious harm in so many ways.

PurpleDaisies · 01/01/2021 23:42

As far as I can see, other health professionals aren’t rushing to confirm what she’s said.
I expect it was an off the cuff exaggeration in an interview that will be clarified in the morning.

Achristmaspudsskidu · 01/01/2021 23:44

You would presume that she would be fully aware that to lie to the press about her job-giving her full name and role-she would be found out quickly and sacked.

Posturesorposes · 01/01/2021 23:45

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Thewiseoneincognito · 01/01/2021 23:45

I have a feeling we are going to see new light on what this really entails in the coming weeks.

2021 feels very off, anyone else?

covetingthepreciousthings · 01/01/2021 23:46

*Yet still half of our customers will come in store with no mask

Exempt you see. They can’t do a 20 min in/out essential shop with a mask.... and with schools shut, kids will be with them. Fantastic!*

Won't help you.. but I'm wondering if schools do all close if they'll also shut all non essential retail / tighten up what is essential. Otherwise all the families in tier 3 will just take kids shopping to get them out.

CabinClose · 01/01/2021 23:46

I think she’s probably telling the truth because saying it giving her real name and location is absolutely inviting a professional misconduct charge if she lied.

covetingthepreciousthings · 01/01/2021 23:46

Sorry bold fail in last post, but was quoting @TillysMum02

Chaotic45 · 01/01/2021 23:48

@CabinClose

I think she’s probably telling the truth because saying it giving her real name and location is absolutely inviting a professional misconduct charge if she lied.
She didn't actually say that the children are unwell because of Covid though did she?

Just that they have more children with Covid on the wards. Which will be true simply because infection rates are up for all age brackets.

covetingthepreciousthings · 01/01/2021 23:48

I think she’s probably telling the truth because saying it giving her real name and location is absolutely inviting a professional misconduct charge if she lied.

This is what I thought too.

Ingleduh · 01/01/2021 23:49

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Ashard20 · 01/01/2021 23:52

This is the article, cached from The Telegraph.
Covid wards 'full of children' for first time in pandemic, warn nurses
Clinicians say high levels of nursing vacancies and staff sickness will make it near-impossible to use Nightingale hospitals

By Patrick Sawer, Senior News Reporter 1 January 2021 • 7:00pm

Paramedics wearing PPE prepare to remove a patient from an ambulance at The Royal London Hospital on December 31, 2020

Paramedics wearing PPE prepare to remove a patient from an ambulance at The Royal London Hospital on December 31, 2020 Credit: Hollie Adams/Getty Images Europe

Medics are starting to see “whole wards of children” suffering from Covid for the first time during the pandemic, a senior nurse has warned.

Laura Duffell, a matron at King’s College Hospital, London, said the new strain of Covid was affecting children and younger adults with no underlying health conditions in worrying numbers.

She said: “It’s very different. That’s what makes it so much scarier for us as doctors, nurses and porters and everyone else who is working on the front line.

“We have children who are coming in. It was minimally affecting children in the first wave... we now have a whole ward of children here and I know that some of my colleagues are in the same position, where they have a whole ward of children with Covid.”

Ms Duffel, a Royal College of Nursing branch official, described a picture of NHS hospitals close to buckling under the strain of rising numbers of Covid patients.

She told Radio 5 Live on Friday: “20 to 30 year olds with no underlying conditions are coming in. In intensive care you could have up to two or three very sick ventilated patients at the moment, which is far beyond what you should have.

“Some of my colleagues across London have been looking after up to 15 adults on a Covid ward with one health care assistant supporting them, so you don’t stop.”

Senior clinicians have now warned that severe staff shortages mean there is little prospect of the Nightingale hospitals riding to the rescue of the NHS as it struggles to cope with the imminent threat of being overwhelmed by Covid patients.

Consultants and nursing leaders say that high levels of nursing vacancies, coupled with high numbers of staff themselves going off sick with coronavirus or stress will make it near impossible to use the Nightingale hospitals built around the country at the start of the pandemic.

The makeshift hospitals were built at sites across England at an estimated cost of £220million, including in London, Manchester, Bristol, Sunderland, Harrogate, Exeter and Birmingham.

Of these the Exeter site received its first Covid patients in November while Manchester, Bristol and Harrogate are currently in use for non-Covid patients.

But Mike Adams, the Royal College of Nursing's England director Mike Adams said on Friday that the expectation that the Nightingale hospitals could deliver a significant increase in capacity was "misplaced".

He said: "I have real concerns that the expectation that this mass rollout in capacity can happen is misplaced because there aren't the staff to do it. If we are having to cancel leave to staff these areas, the obvious question is where will the staff come from to open the Nightingales?”

There are already one in eight nursing vacancies, with existing shortages in the type of Intensive Care Unit nurses needed to treat the most severely ill Covid patients, and recent figures showed that one in 10 Covid admissions to hospital are front line health workers - depriving the NHS of badly-needed staff.

Professor David Oliver, a trustee of the Royal College of Physicians and a senior consultant working on Covid wards, told The Telegraph: “Where are the staff going to come from for the Nightingales? The day-to day, hands-on care is carried out by nurses and health care assistants and there already aren’t enough of them.”

The warnings came as the picture across hospitals struggling to cope with a spike in Covid cases grows ever more serious, with consultants estimating that London hospitals are now operating at more than 200 per cent over capacity and even those hospitals in regions not as badly affected by the current wave working at 150 per cent over capacity.

PurpleDaisies · 01/01/2021 23:54

It could be the truth with no proper context. Those children could all have serious underlying health conditions making them especially vulnerable to covid.

I highly doubt many nhs workers get proper media training.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 01/01/2021 23:54

Won't help you.. but I'm wondering if schools do all close if they'll also shut all non essential retail / tighten up what is essential. Otherwise all the families in tier 3 will just take kids shopping to get them out

Schools are only switching to predominantly off-site learning in specified Contingency Plan areas. This is just the worst affected tier 4 areas, where only essential retail is open.

I suppose people could still go for a family day out to the supermarket even in CP Tier 4 - it would be up to the shop to set entrance policies. But if it turned into a proper tier 5, then perhaps there would be more explicit rules or guidance

Fortherosesjoni70 · 01/01/2021 23:56

@PurpleDaisies

It could be the truth with no proper context. Those children could all have serious underlying health conditions making them especially vulnerable to covid.

I highly doubt many nhs workers get proper media training.

sounds like a context is given to me. Underlying health conditions? What a whole ward? mmm....
PurpleDaisies · 01/01/2021 23:57

Is nobody thinking that the Telegraph have properly fact checked that article and taken it down?

Panickingpavlova · 01/01/2021 23:58

The article says suffering covid, no underlying health issues.

Yes I imagine shit is hitting fans... We will know more tomorrow.

Isthatitnow · 01/01/2021 23:58

It could be the truth with no proper context. Those children could all have serious underlying health conditions making them especially vulnerable to covid

So that’s OK then?

Fortherosesjoni70 · 02/01/2021 00:00

@Isthatitnow

It could be the truth with no proper context. Those children could all have serious underlying health conditions making them especially vulnerable to covid

So that’s OK then?

Exactly!