Hospitalisation Rates in Children

[ClimbDad]

Mumsnet removed a thread discussing hospitalisation and risks to children following the LBC interview with the hospital matron.

The Department of Health publishes hospitalisation figures by age. Daily hospitalisation of children is currently averaging 40 to 50 admissions.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

The admissions criteria is designed to exclude children who are in hospital for other reasons and catch Covid-19.

I don’t know what we consider an acceptable level of risk. We haven’t had that conversation as a country, but I feel sorry for the hundreds of families living through this horrific experience every week.

@ClimbDad

Mumsnet removed a thread discussing hospitalisation and risks to children following the LBC interview with the hospital matron.

The Department of Health publishes hospitalisation figures by age. Daily hospitalisation of children is currently averaging 40 to 50 admissions.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

The admissions criteria is designed to exclude children who are in hospital for other reasons and catch Covid-19.

I don’t know what we consider an acceptable level of risk. We haven’t had that conversation as a country, but I feel sorry for the hundreds of families living through this horrific experience every week.

Clicked on the link.

Chart showing "Patients admitted to hospital by age" indicating the "Total numbers of COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital since the start of the pandemic". Showing figures up to 1.1.21. These Figures are for England.

Age 0-5, 1,568. Age 6-17, 1,585

It's indicated that data include people admitted to hospital who tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14 days prior to admission, and those who tested positive in hospital after admission. Inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 after admission are reported as being admitted on the day prior to their diagnosis. Admissions to all NHS acute hospitals and mental health and learning disability trusts, as well as independent service providers commissioned by the NHS are included.

These figures therefore DO include children who are in hospital for other reasons AND children who catch the virus whilst in hospital. They also include children admitted to mental health trusts, learning disability trusts and other independent service providers (and clearly these facilities are not treatment centers for respiratory illnesses)

It has been through university students looking at the graph linked but now is primary and secondary, which in turn affects teachers and parents. Christmas Should of course have been cancelled.
going through the university students was a worry but this is a bigger deal, combined with the weather. a perfect storm.

Pressure is mounting...

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-55511662

I thought she did not come across very well on R4,

@4Bmn

Apologies if this has already been posted, but this is Laura Duffell on her Twitter (reply to CRDN) explaining which are the underlying health conditions of children in relation to covid

So does she not actually have first hand experience if she is saying "colleagues have said..."

@Skipsurvey

I thought she did not come across very well on R4,

Sorry I've got a bit lost- who is 'she'?

sorry, for not clarifying, Dr Mary Bousted was ranting rather on R4 this morning. she had a point of course.

This is horrendous. Just to keep schools open. Shame on the government.

and i just saw her talking again in bbc news, and feel bad for my earlier criticism.

I am so confused 😂 is laura duffel the one who made the original comments? Who is mary?

She's not the only person who has been accused of 'ranting' this week. It seems to be the criticism du jour of anyone who speaks plainly about how bad it already is and how much worse it could rapidly become.

I think the truth is important. How can people make reasoned judgments if news is redacted?

I wonder how many of the 0-5s admitted are admitted as covid is a febrile illness (all children are admitted after a first febrile convulsion) rather than any other more specific and sinister characteristics of covid.

I can’t find details at the moment but how about looking at number of child hospitalisations in 2019? Maybe someone else can to compare? Every day children will be admitted to hospital for various reasons including respiratory viruses. Don’t panic! The percentage chance your child will be seriously ill with corona virus is very very low.

@historyandhiking

But.. masks don't work. We didn't stockpile enough as recommended for years previously. Oops. Healthcare workers die due to lack of PPE

May - actually, masks do help. Sorry, bit late on that

I think people forget that, specially at the beginning of the pandemic, the government was following advice by the WHO (certainly in relation to masks and open borders)

Also the situation, the advice and the evidence is dynamic, so it is understandable that guidance changes accordingly

Again, I'm not trying to advocate for the government, but I think that as soon as a new problem arises, these threads are hijacked with questionable posters demonising the government to fit their own agenda. This just deviates attention from the real issue.

Mary Bousted is from the National Education Union. She was on bbc breakfast this morning. She spoke a lot of sense in the chaotic situation re mass testing that secondary schools are required to undertake.

[quote trulydelicious]@historyandhiking

But.. masks don't work. We didn't stockpile enough as recommended for years previously. Oops. Healthcare workers die due to lack of PPE

May - actually, masks do help. Sorry, bit late on that

I think people forget that, specially at the beginning of the pandemic, the government was following advice by the WHO (certainly in relation to masks and open borders)

Also the situation, the advice and the evidence is dynamic, so it is understandable that guidance changes accordingly

Again, I'm not trying to advocate for the government, but I think that as soon as a new problem arises, these threads are hijacked with questionable posters demonising the government to fit their own agenda. This just deviates attention from the real issue.[/quote]
Well they didn't follow WHO advice regarding masks when it came to schools. In September the advice was no masks in schools despite WHO advising back in June. It was only after October half term when cases in schools were escalating that the government changed the guidance to masks in communal areas. Even now the government advice does not recommend wearing them in the classroom.

I am posting quickly as o know there is a lot of anxiety.
I’ve just read our hospital update - we don’t have significantly increased numbers of paediatric patients requiring treatment for covid. There is some increase in routine screening but all those children were well.

@Pomegranatespompom

I am posting quickly as o know there is a lot of anxiety. I’ve just read our hospital update - we don’t have significantly increased numbers of paediatric patients requiring treatment for covid. There is some increase in routine screening but all those children were well.

Thank you for taking the time to give that update

Again, I'm not trying to advocate for the government, but I think that as soon as a new problem arises, these threads are hijacked with questionable posters demonising the government to fit their own agenda. This just deviates attention from the real issue

100% agree

@mrshoho

Mary Bousted is from the National Education Union. She was on bbc breakfast this morning. She spoke a lot of sense in the chaotic situation re mass testing that secondary schools are required to undertake.

It is crazy. My mam works at our local college. She is in charge of the catering there and even she was asked if she wanted overtime to administer tests. She declined, strangely enough. Apparently everyone is being tested on monday and wednesday next week, in the cantine, which has been closed except for takeaways for months. Some of my mams friends have agreed to do it so now the staff usually giving out costas are giving out tests. Very odd!

This graph shows the new variant and which age groups it’s most common in. You can see it’s less common in 80+ and more common in 10-19. Data from www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-12-31-COVID19-Report-42-Preprint-VOC.pdf

@Triptraptrip

My daughter’s school have informed us that their first week back will be a low key, fun art week. She is learning more when I home school her, and I would rather do this.

Keyworker kids won't be taught in person, it's just childcare, most probably supervised by non teachers. Teachers have to do the online work so can't teach Keyworker kids and online. Plus it wouldn't be fair, everyone would send their kid if it was normal lessons and the whole point it to keep people at home. Plus I've see the Keyworker list, anyone could be classed as a Keyworker.

People moan that supermarkets are too busy and the majority there are wearing masks. We are expected to send children and teachers into tiny non ventilated room without masks for 6+ hours a day. If as seems to be agreed, the strain is more contagious (transmissble is used to sound less scary) then there will be more hospitals admissions and deaths. The whole year group bubble was based on the fact it didn't spread in schools. Now we know that it does we can't just carry on regardless.

Surely the point is that even if the new variant is no more dangerous, there is a finite amount of care available, paediatric care included, and we really don't want to be getting into a situation where we are sending children around the country or making decisions about admissions to care.