Hospitalisation Rates in Children

[ClimbDad]

Mumsnet removed a thread discussing hospitalisation and risks to children following the LBC interview with the hospital matron.

The Department of Health publishes hospitalisation figures by age. Daily hospitalisation of children is currently averaging 40 to 50 admissions.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

The admissions criteria is designed to exclude children who are in hospital for other reasons and catch Covid-19.

I don’t know what we consider an acceptable level of risk. We haven’t had that conversation as a country, but I feel sorry for the hundreds of families living through this horrific experience every week.

Same people in the newspapers who run the business that dont want the schools to close.
Teachers have been saying for months that schools are not safe.

@Indecisive12

In October there were warnings that the hospital admissions up north were younger 20’s, 30’s and 40’s. The threads on here suggested it was because of older people still isolating. I don’t understand her comment about ICU. 2 or 3 sick ventilated patients is nothing. I worked ICU when swine flu was here and we had 4-6 very sick ventilated swine flu patients On top of the 12-16 others. It’s ICU and what it’s designed for. And yes NHS staff don’t speak to press As it’s in our contract to direct press to the press person (word escaped me) at the trust. It’s been like that for years so as not to bring the trust into disrepute not a Covid coverup.

Filtering communication on a trust level is understandable I suppose. I take greater issue with the government never allowing press to properly cover the situation when local hospitals get overwhelmed. In the summer I recall reading a horrific article about temporary mortuaries in a Welsh hospital, but during the first wave the public was shielded from the knowledge of such things.

Knowledge is power and it can save lives if people truly understand what is at stake. It’s ghastly to read of these medics coming off shift to morons outside hospitals chanting that covid is a hoax.

Media silence up until now.
The Govt have been lying for months about the safety of schools.
They haven't been reporting cases. Parents are wakening up now!

@Fortherosesjoni70

The Govt want the economy to run. If parents are at home. It simply cant. They dont want to shut the schools. They want them to remain open. That has been their mantra. It has never ever been about the children. Its about business hence the media silence about schools and the Govt sticking to its mantra to keep schools open.

Yes. The lies in late summer about school children not transmitting the virus (contrary to a raft of studies that were available at the time) are unforgivable. Economy first indeed.

They are still pushing the "schools are safe" lie. I've just read this, quoted from the DFE's statement about the decision that all schools in London should shut:

"The contingency framework is being implemented across London as a last resort to help suppress the spread of the virus in the community, protect public health and save lives.

"The framework is not being implemented due to safety concerns in education. Schools have well established protective measures in place to maximise safety for pupils and staff and help reduce the risk of transmission.

@ComDummings

It’s concerning that these threads are being censored. They keep vanishing.

It does seem odd to censor threads about Covid-19. They are informative after all. There will obviously be differences of opinion on them but so what? That is what a discussion forum is all about.

@Noellodee

They are still pushing the "schools are safe" lie. I've just read this, quoted from the DFE's statement about the decision that all schools in London should shut:

"The contingency framework is being implemented across London as a last resort to help suppress the spread of the virus in the community, protect public health and save lives.

"The framework is not being implemented due to safety concerns in education. Schools have well established protective measures in place to maximise safety for pupils and staff and help reduce the risk of transmission.

Its a lie. I heard it being spouted. Its was stated in order to justify schools going back eventually. They cannot say we are closing the schools because it is unsafe. They simply wont because of the economy. There are simply NO safety measures.

It was the same in Scotland. They simply would not shut the schools pre christmas and pre this new mutant because they simply did not want to give the message to parents that it wasnt safe.
It has not been safe for a long time for teachers mostly. Its not safe now for children either is my bet with this new mutant.

Schools have well established protective measures in place to maximise safety for pupils and staff and help reduce the risk of transmission.

If I was a teacher marking this as a report, I think I'd write (in red pen) "please expand on the protective measures."

Oh, I agree it's a lie, and a bare-faced one at that. At least back in the beginning, when the data was thin on the ground, they could claim to have no evidence that schools were unsafe. Given that we now have data broken down into age groups and can track the effect of things like half-term breaks on those age groups, it's just a blatant whopper when they still do it.

It was safe=ish for the children before this new strain as its true they werent affected so much by it. Not for teachers. They were always at huge risk and also families as it can spread to them.
We dont know atm if its safe for kids. They are thinking they will now catch it more because of how covid has mutated.

Im actually more worried if it mutates again.

@Em777

I take greater issue with the government never...

I think some take any opportunity for government bashing on these threads

Even if the goverment had made countless mistakes, we wouldn't find ourselves in this situation if people had followed the guidelines and applied a minimum of common sense

They have made countless mistakes. Some of the public though will perform any amount of mental gymnastics so they can and will continue to vote Tory.

[quote trulydelicious]@Em777

I take greater issue with the government never...

I think some take any opportunity for government bashing on these threads

Even if the goverment had made countless mistakes, we wouldn't find ourselves in this situation if people had followed the guidelines and applied a minimum of common sense[/quote]
If people were shown the truth they’d be more likely to follow the guidelines.

I just read this; sorry if it has already been posted, I have not read all eleven pages of the thread:

metro.co.uk/2021/01/01/uk-records-53285-covid-cases-and-613-deaths-on-new-years-day-13834941/

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The truth is hard to find...
We are in an area where back-reporting shows there were 500+ cases per 100000 in the population on the last day of term. We are in Tier 4 where schools are shut. The figure today is 800+ cases per 100000

When DC were at school, I had no idea cases were so high....I checked regularly at the time and only saw several days later when it was back-dated how bad it had got...I had no idea there was a mutant strain which had much greater transmissibility to kids. I was sending them in every day without any of this information. I feel like I was playing with their health without knowing...I feel fooled

Let’s face it, the government makes policy decisions like a car company deciding whether or not to recall a dangerous vehicle. The company works out how much they’d have to pay in compensation for deaths, and how much their share price would be affected by the bad publicity, vs the cost of the recall. If the cost of the recall is higher, they leave the dodgy vehicles where they are.

This government has modelled the deaths likely to be caused by Covid vs the hit to the economy, and has decided - in the words of the evil king in Shrek - that some of us may die but that’s a price they’re willing to pay.

Conspiracy theories are idiotic, but this isn’t even a conspiracy theory. They’re covering up the truth because it makes them look bad. It’s a tale as old as time. Hopefully they’ll fail at that and more clinicians and staff will feel empowered to speak out.

Apologies if this has already been posted, but this is Laura Duffell on her Twitter (reply to CRDN) explaining which are the underlying health conditions of children in relation to covid

Oh come on to fuck..

How anyone listens to this government is beyond me!!

March - schools won't close oh no, bojo saying we'll 'take it on the chin' and shake hands..

Oh. schools shut. Lockdown.

But.. masks don't work. We didn't stockpile enough as recommended for years previously. Oops. Healthcare workers die due to lack of PPE.

May - actually, masks do help. Sorry, bit late on that.

Jul/Aug - Children don't transmit the virus much, schools are safe..

Oct - actually, masks should be worn in school corridors. Keep getting letters "No evidence" of in school transmission despite obvious evidence to the contrary..

Late Oct - actually all senior pupils should wear masks

Pre Christmas - Mass school outbreaks. They are not even pretending schools don't cause outbreaks any more.

I say this as someone who's Children have had COVID, despite them wearing masks most of the time since Aug (not saying masks ineffective and not worth it, just that they took them off to eat). I still worry about longer term effects, about new variant.

If it helps, @historyandhiking, if there is a more dangerous new variant it'll probably help your kids that they were exposed to the less dangerous old variant. Their immune systems are likely to recognise and react to the virus faster than the immune system of someone who has never encountered the virus. It's the same principle as the one by which vaccines work. Nature's vaccination, if you will. I'm starting to think I should have sent DD to nursery earlier so she could be exposed to the variant we know has little effect on children.

@Fortherosesjoni70

Same people in the newspapers who run the business that dont want the schools to close. Teachers have been saying for months that schools are not safe.

This. Oh so much. Us4them are all unit with big business too which is why they have been able to write in The Telegraph and The Mail and have meetings with Johnson despite the teaching unions having their concerns about school safety repeatedly binned.

Is there a link to the LBC interview @ClimbDad?
I don’t think the government are lying or trying to cover up the truth. I do worry that - over the Christmas period - stats etc may not be accurate, or there may be a lag. Or that there may be new developments that have not been verified/reported yet.

My daughter’s school have informed us that their first week back will be a low key, fun art week. She is learning more when I home school her, and I would rather do this.