What's the longest you will put up with restrictions?

[Papatron]

I'm just wondering where people think their breaking point will be with the virus restrictions. If the government extends the furlough scheme beyond April and says we all have to stay locked down, will you obey?
If we're still not free in June or July?
Personally I feel like I could just about take another 3 months maximum.

Sorry for shouting but

WHAT DOES AS LONG AS IT TAKES MEAN????

@onedayinthefuture

And all you as long as it takes sad fucks, what gives you the right to imprison my children any longer. It's criminal.

Don’t be ridiculous - nobody is imprisoned. What exactly do you think is criminal?

@SkySports

It does rather feel like some people love the restrictions almost orgasmic for some to hear the word lock down imposed or more restrictions

Do you see how the opposing view is viewed in the same way? People wetting their kickers in excitement to show how they won’t be ‘told’ anything or stopped doing what they want to do.

There’s a middle ground, but each end of extremes is as bad as the other for getting their kicks by trying to make other people feel bad/stupid/small.

None of it is particularly helpful to anyone is it?

Imprisoned in the sense that they are unable to socialise properly and form bonds with wider family. Are unable to have friends round to play. Are stuck in a very insular world. A year to a child is a long time and their lives are being robbed. I have friends with children who are depressed, they are struggling with everything that has been taken from them.

@RaspberryCoulis

Sorry for shouting but

WHAT DOES AS LONG AS IT TAKES MEAN????

It mean until scientific advisers state measures are not needed, presumably.

Clearly some people like our emotionally stunted PM need a date to cling to - over by summer Christmas Easter.

I'm not sure we can predict what's going to happen next, so what is the point of setting arbitrary dates?

If I can't manage it in three months' time, I will deal with it then. But right now I can manage, although I don't like it.

@RaspberryCoulis

Sorry for shouting but

WHAT DOES AS LONG AS IT TAKES MEAN????

It mean exactly that. As long as it takes to ensure the virus is at low enough level for us to be able to return to a more normal way of living - assuming the vaccine programme picks up pace and is effective we are looking at months not years. My priority is playing my part to protect my relatively young but CEV DH, my father, my friends, my patients and wider society.

@RaspberryCoulis

Sorry for shouting but

WHAT DOES AS LONG AS IT TAKES MEAN????

What it says? We have restrictions at some level as long as we need to i.e When the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed by people all with the same diagnosis.

The vaccinations available can achieve this, even if they only reduce covid to a much milder illness for most people who are susceptible to difficulties.

It's a moot point because we have no choice but to put up with restrictions. However I think that if 15 year old close contacts of positive cases are allowed to attend school unless they themselves test positive, the logical extension of that is that no close contacts should have to self isolate.

I mean I don't think it's the right decision, but if it's OK for school communities, why isn't it acceptable for wider society?

@onedayinthefuture

Imprisoned in the sense that they are unable to socialise properly and form bonds with wider family. Are unable to have friends round to play. Are stuck in a very insular world. A year to a child is a long time and their lives are being robbed. I have friends with children who are depressed, they are struggling with everything that has been taken from them.

You understand you’re screaming this at a board full of people in exactly the same position? Not sure why you’re treating people like enemies when they’re likely to be living comparable lives to you right now.

Think we have all just about had enough, but seriously what choice do we have? It’s not like we can do anything? Like a pp stared, can’t break into businesses and open them up for those not wanting to comply anymore.
I will comply for as long as it takes to keep the nhs from becoming overwhelmed.

@onedayinthefuture

Imprisoned in the sense that they are unable to socialise properly and form bonds with wider family. Are unable to have friends round to play. Are stuck in a very insular world. A year to a child is a long time and their lives are being robbed. I have friends with children who are depressed, they are struggling with everything that has been taken from them.

So not imprisoned then - nobody is saying it has been easy or that the next few months will be easy, but it is something that needs to be done.

You haven’t explained why you think it’s criminal or what laws you think have been broken.

One way or another, I hope people remember how awful this was in four years time (when I expect we’ll still be feeling all kids of effects) and vote out this bunch of incompetent idiots.

Or take any other democratic chance we may get.

Otherwise we’ll have to just do what we can to help bring rates down in the meantime- including following restrictions at least until the vaccine gets a chance to take hold.

@Outseyeder

My concern is that people have become so afraid and compliant that actually they will never ever protest no matter what the government does.

Really sick of seeing shit like this, as if everyone actually taking the pandemic seriously is some kind of brainwashed sheep.

I've protested against multiple governments over illegal wars, climate destruction, racial inequality, LGBT rights, police brutality, austerity and deportations. I've been ARRESTED at one of those. I am not afraid of protesting against the state and I wish people would do it more - for things that matter.

This government's pandemic response has been nothing short of a shitshow up and down but restricting one's lifestyle in a global pandemic is not about complying unthinkingly with The Roolz but about having a brain that can comprehend basic epidemiology.

Well there's obviously no clear meaning of the trite "as long as it takes" as one poster says it means "ensure the virus is at low enough level for us to be able to return to a more normal way of living" and the very next says it means "When the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed by people all with the same diagnosis."

Entirely different things. Totally meaningless, but a phrase which is easily tripped off the tongue.

@SaltyAF

It's a moot point because we have no choice but to put up with restrictions. However I think that if 15 year old close contacts of positive cases are allowed to attend school unless they themselves test positive, the logical extension of that is that no close contacts should have to self isolate.

I mean I don't think it's the right decision, but if it's OK for school communities, why isn't it acceptable for wider society?

Because it isn’t children overwhelming hospitals. The >40’s are where it starts becoming a massive problem with uncontrolled contagion.

There’s the argument that of course children come into contact with all age groups and I’m not particularly ‘happy’ about the state of schools but children becoming ill isn’t what is going to break the NHS.

Well I'm a 40+ teacher, as are many of my colleagues. They will be in our classrooms. We don't matter of course.

@RaspberryCoulis

Well there's obviously no clear meaning of the trite "as long as it takes" as one poster says it means "ensure the virus is at low enough level for us to be able to return to a more normal way of living" and the very next says it means "When the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed by people all with the same diagnosis."

Entirely different things. Totally meaningless, but a phrase which is easily tripped off the tongue.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Those posts aren’t at odds with each other at all - it’s ‘safe’ for any virus to circulate as long as there is enough medical support to deal with it.

We can’t mix when becoming ill threatens to completely collapse the healthcare system leading to avoidable deaths from all causes because there’s nothing available.

If you can’t see the effect of one on the other I’m not sure you’re grasping how a society works.

This government's pandemic response has been nothing short of a shitshow up and down but restricting one's lifestyle in a global pandemic is not about complying unthinkingly with The Roolz but about having a brain that can comprehend basic epidemiology

Love it.

I wonder how many people fervently spluttering over restrictions have protested the many, many injustices and incompetencies of our government and society in their lifetimes?

I don’t know why people are saying 40+ is higher risk? People in their 40s are generally fine after a flu like illness (so rotten but not hospital worthy) aren’t they?

@RaspberryCoulis

Well there's obviously no clear meaning of the trite "as long as it takes" as one poster says it means "ensure the virus is at low enough level for us to be able to return to a more normal way of living" and the very next says it means "When the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed by people all with the same diagnosis."

Entirely different things. Totally meaningless, but a phrase which is easily tripped off the tongue.

If you are going to quote me - at least have the decency to use the full quote and not just the part that fits your agenda.

It's interesting to see it's often the same posters who insist, over and over again, that they'll accept this for as long as it takes
It's not really anyone else's business of course, but I'd love to know what their employment and financial positions are

Mine is that I'm retired and very fortunate to be in a position where I'll never want for money, and my own answer is about 3 months to see if the vaccines make any initial difference ... because if they don't we're back to finding a way to live with Covid, which I expected would be necessary right from the start

I wonder how many people fervently spluttering over restrictions have protested the many, many injustices and incompetencies of our government and society in their lifetimes?

It's abundantly clear that the people tantruming over their Civil Liberties Being Infringed because they have to wear a mask in a shop for 10 minutes are privileged enough that they've never had to actually fight for equal civil rights.

@AndcalloffChristmas

I don’t know why people are saying 40+ is higher risk? People in their 40s are generally fine after a flu like illness (so rotten but not hospital worthy) aren’t they?

The 40+ age bracket is when hospital admissions start to creep up. You’re unlikely to die but more likely to need supportive care (oxygen, treatment for secondary infections, treatment for clotting issues) which requires inpatient care. It’s still small percentages we’re talking about but they’re significant enough to overwhelm a hospital.

That’s not even touching on longer term health issues that might be triggered by covid. It’s pretty adept at leaving its mark on other organs which can cause longer term issues.

@onedayinthefuture

And all you as long as it takes sad fucks, what gives you the right to imprison my children any longer. It's criminal.

Ffs. Don’t imprison them. Take them wherever you want. Oh yeah you can’t in this country because we are in the middle of a fucking pandemic. Well if you feel your kids are imprisoned then jet off to another country for a few weeks/months. You can still go abroad to a few countries you know? Are you one of those people that thinks that the virus is make believe and that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed at the moment? What if one of your kids needs the hospital for a non covid reason and can’t get the medical treatment to the highest of standards as they could and should be receiving? I needed to go to the a&e for one of my kids last week. We got seen to and got the best care possible. I’m not in a tier 4 area, however I’m not just grateful to the NHS and government for making sure the nhs is still able to provide a service to me and my family, but I’m grateful to those that stuck to the rules and prevented our local nhs hospital for becoming overwhelmed so far. So thank you to those that are trying to stick to the rules and keep the case numbers down for all of us.

May 2020.