What's the longest you will put up with restrictions?

[Papatron]

I'm just wondering where people think their breaking point will be with the virus restrictions. If the government extends the furlough scheme beyond April and says we all have to stay locked down, will you obey?
If we're still not free in June or July?
Personally I feel like I could just about take another 3 months maximum.

As long as I need to. I don't want to catch covid and I don't want to spread it so I'm going to do as I'm told.

@User158340 are you being deliberately obtuse? Where did I say anything about breaking the law? What I did day is voters need to use their voice to influence what politicians do. The second part of your post is great - tell your MP.

What I find interesting is the solid mind set people have.

In greater Manchester we have a trust which umbrellas 9 hospitals through out the entire area. There are 257 covid patients in the hospitals that are in that trust - out of 2.82 MILLION people in greater Manchester. We know that flu cases are extremely low this year because of the measures we are taking and an uptake on flu shots so it’s not a big leap to suspect that many of those beds that were annually taken up my flu patients are now being used for covid instead. I could agree with ‘hospitals being over run’ if flu was still taking as many people down as it usually does - but this year the data tells us it really isn’t.

Poster too early - whilst pointing out to a friend that there were nearly 3 million people in greater Manchester and only 257 in hospital with it - there mind set was that ‘it’s still to many - go and visit a hospital.’

This has terrified people so some are happy for society to fall to stop one person from catching it - when we know it has a very tiny death rate - less that 2%

[quote countrygirl99]@User158340 are you being deliberately obtuse? Where did I say anything about breaking the law? What I did day is voters need to use their voice to influence what politicians do. The second part of your post is great - tell your MP.[/quote]
No, i'm just saying as a law abiding citizen I will abide by the rules and restrictions. I'm not going to start breaking the law. It's a wider point within the topic itself.

Whether i'd continue to agree with them is different. I go back to my original point that the government aren't going to keep restrictions for longer than they're necessary. They've really been dragged kicking and screaming into every measure or lockdown - and some say they were too late - because they don' t want to have to do it.

As long as it takes.
But I am finding it too much to bear in intervals. Around every two months or so, it gives me the rage for a few days. Usually, after someone says something that is sounds fully outrageous to me regarding the restrictions or the application, or measures (examples: non-essential shambles in Wales breaker leaving people unable to buy clothing for family members taken suddenly into hospital, people saying that children should not be vaccinated against covid(like never- not just in the first phases-), because it is a waste of time and resources- apparently
At the beginning of this, for the first 6 months in, I was quite breezy about measures and people' attitudes. More concerned about health and the new virus.
Now I seem to struggle swallowing some of the pills! From govetment and public.
But we will comply and carry on as long as it takes.

Do you know what the rates of staff sickness/isolations are as well? @Seasaltyhair It’s a bigger picture than just patients in beds.

Do you think there would be more patients without restrictions or that restrictions keeping admissions at the level they’re at now?

To a point we have no choice but to be reactive to this virus and I find it concerning that there is a narrative that exists to deter the few proactive measures that can be implemented. What happens when then doesn’t work out? What’s the plan to claw back control?

Take London as an example - they should never have come out of lockdown in December under such relaxed measures and now it’s an even bigger task to get it under control. Certain northern counties came out of the first lockdown far too early and never fully got a handle on their case numbers.

@Cornettoninja

Do you know what the rates of staff sickness/isolations are as well? *@Seasaltyhair* It’s a bigger picture than just patients in beds.

Do you think there would be more patients without restrictions or that restrictions keeping admissions at the level they’re at now?

To a point we have no choice but to be reactive to this virus and I find it concerning that there is a narrative that exists to deter the few proactive measures that can be implemented. What happens when then doesn’t work out? What’s the plan to claw back control?

Take London as an example - they should never have come out of lockdown in December under such relaxed measures and now it’s an even bigger task to get it under control. Certain northern counties came out of the first lockdown far too early and never fully got a handle on their case numbers.

The last time I checked on staff absences ( august) there was more staff off due to isolating with out a positive covid test than covid patients in hospital - and that was the same through out England.

Tbh I don’t think restrictions work. The minute you lift them the virus comes back. The stopping and starting of society is ruining it. We were told at the begining of this that covid would likely be here for two years - till it had naturally burnt it self out.

This is probably a very very unpopular opinion but we should have gone for herd immunity back when it first started. Closed the boarders and protected the elderly in care homes. We should have pushed through it.

This really isn’t the worst pandemic we’ve had. We’ve had some pretty bad ones this decade alone.

There isn't a choice.

@Seasaltyhair

What I find interesting is the solid mind set people have.

In greater Manchester we have a trust which umbrellas 9 hospitals through out the entire area. There are 257 covid patients in the hospitals that are in that trust - out of 2.82 MILLION people in greater Manchester. We know that flu cases are extremely low this year because of the measures we are taking and an uptake on flu shots so it’s not a big leap to suspect that many of those beds that were annually taken up my flu patients are now being used for covid instead. I could agree with ‘hospitals being over run’ if flu was still taking as many people down as it usually does - but this year the data tells us it really isn’t.

Which Trust and which hospitals are you referring to in Greater Manchester. There are many Trusts covering the area. There are also far more than 9 hospitals.

@Seasaltyhair - how long do you think herd immunity would take without a vaccine?

Why would you only protect people in care homes? What about the vulnerable people in the general population?

How many more deaths do you think your solution would have caused?

I agree that we’ve missed opportunities and half-assed our approach but I am also very aware that there has been a lot of pressure from those more concerned about the fallout of lockdowns/restrictions (which again I believe would have still been a problem but on the background of a lot more sickness and death) to ease what’s in place. This government have tried to keep everyone happy and ended up with everyone tired and pissed off. We needed leadership and a cohesive plan and got neither.

Lockdowns do work done properly. They don’t work if they’re lifted without an eye on the case numbers and a will to impose restrictions quickly if needed.

@WingingItSince1973 that's exactly how I feel! If I can end each day with a little positivity and hope then that's the best I can do lol! Just keep an eye on the news and that. I think I might feel slightly differently if for example I lost my job but fingers crossed it will improve xx

@WillowintheUK entirely capable thanks but it's not natural to live such a confined life. Young children ARE being robbed of their precious young lives, childhood goes by in a flash. Many of you on here seem very comfortable to see the pandemic last another 2 years or so and yes that is criminal robbing a child of a normal life seeing friends and family. It's selfish. Every single person baying for more lockdown ARE entitled and selfish.

[quote onedayinthefuture]@WillowintheUK entirely capable thanks but it's not natural to live such a confined life. Young children ARE being robbed of their precious young lives, childhood goes by in a flash. Many of you on here seem very comfortable to see the pandemic last another 2 years or so and yes that is criminal robbing a child of a normal life seeing friends and family. It's selfish. Every single person baying for more lockdown ARE entitled and selfish. [/quote]
Of course nobody wants to see the pandemic last another 2 years - who has said that? The reality, that you seem incapable of seeing, is the pandemic will drag if restrictions aren't in place.

I think you need to look a little closer to home to see who is entitled and selfish.

I think you’re only going to find ‘as long as it takes’ posters on MN. In RL people are getting pretty fed up. I think you’ll get decent enough compliance until March ish. Once the vaccine has been rolled out to the more vulnerable and the hospital numbers start going down people are going to want to get on with it.

I think you’re only going to find ‘as long as it takes’ posters on MN. In RL people are getting pretty fed up.

I don't doubt that is your experience but in my RL the opposite is true. I am shocked when I read posters on MN saying they are happy to break the law so they can go round their friends house etc. In my RL everyone is very much following the law and despite their individual frustrations and difficulties they are willing to do what it takes to keep the virus from overwhelming the NHS and causing unecessary deaths and suffering.

I honestly don't know anyone who is saying that's it, end of March and I am pressing the Fuck It Button.

@onedayinthefuture you seem to be confusing comfort with resignation and recognition of the facts.

I haven’t come across anyone who would choose for everybody to live like this, the only time I see that implication is when people are putting words in other peoples mouths.

I’ve followed the rules for the greater good but once the vulnerable in my family (and therefore most vulnerable in society) are vaccinated I will see them.

Even if it is worse? Like there has been some other mutation and it is worse - that deadline is 100% fixed?

I suppose, theoretically, it could mutate with another virus and become CovBola, but that hasn't happened so I'll stick with dealing with present reality and 31st March.

@bluebeck

I think you’re only going to find ‘as long as it takes’ posters on MN. In RL people are getting pretty fed up.

I don't doubt that is your experience but in my RL the opposite is true. I am shocked when I read posters on MN saying they are happy to break the law so they can go round their friends house etc. In my RL everyone is very much following the law and despite their individual frustrations and difficulties they are willing to do what it takes to keep the virus from overwhelming the NHS and causing unecessary deaths and suffering.

I honestly don't know anyone who is saying that's it, end of March and I am pressing the Fuck It Button.

We’re all following the rules too. Saying that we’re getting fed up isn’t the same as saying we’re breaking restrictions willy nilly. I don’t know anyone in RL who is prepared for this to go on indefinitely though - unlike a lot of MNers here.

I don't really care if other people are following the rules or not. What's important to me is doing what I know to be right
Other households can make their own choices. I certainly won't be going near them anyway!

I often wonder if people who don't whinge and whine about restrictions are thought of as enjoying it. I am miserable as sin and just getting on with it. its a virus. Its not running to a timetable FFS.

@Napqueen1234 agreed - once my octogenarian DPs have received the vaccine and enough time has passed for it to be effective, I'll be up to see them regardless of what restrictions are in place.

I was honestly over it 6 months ago.