To think they are far too slow

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The government at putting UK into full lockdown cases are rising rapidly and people are still dying why so much delay.

@AllTheUserNamesAreTaken he has a younger brother, but he is only 3, they have interests at the opposite end of the scale. My 3 year old is very boisterous and the exact opposite of my oldest. He is super sensitive to sounds/noises (not autistic, he’s NT, just a very sensitive child) and got himself worked up when his brother would wind him up/be noisy and loud.
His school was crap at online learning so it fell to me to do it and I simply couldn’t find the motivation to teach him 5 days a week, when TBH most of the stuff we were asked to do was better suited as group projects. The teachers weren’t checking his work or doing anything to see how the kids were apart from a very select few. It was a disaster. Luckily this time if we do get another lockdown I am classed as a keyworker, so my kids can still attend school as normal.

I don't want another lockdown. The whole situation is depressing enough as it is.

@Wakeupin2022 So what’s your situation? Will you or your partners job (if you have one) be at risk during a further lockdown?

Will you manage to work and look after little ones at the same time?

NickNacky if we don't lockdown and the NHS is overwhelmed then quite simply the economic consequences will be a lot more severe.

I am not one for calling for lockdown when its not needed. I think it is needed now.

I would support closing now but only in the short term maybe until mid / end Jan. I did not support them closing in March and had no concerns sending my children back in September. Actually youngest went back in June. I will send them next week if they reopen.

Is it all going to be fun & games - no it won't. Stressful job which is extremely busy as this time and is only going to get worse in next few months. Yes I work from home but when I spend many hours each day on calls its not conducive to helping children.

Dh works out of home and has done so through the pandemic.

So no, my situation is not ideal but better than many. I am not looking forward to it if schools close, but surely we need to accept that we are in a really precarious situation just now. If we don't do something it will get a whole lot worse.

Its frightening that some people can't see this.

My eldest has required a couple of emergency ops due to accidents. Nothing serious thankfully but when I think my children may not have access to the NHS - well I just don't want to think about that.

@Wakeupin2022 So basically neither of your jobs are at risk? Funny that. How did I guess?

It’s always those people crying for a lockdown that can’t look at the far bigger picture and only care about COVID.

So basically neither of your jobs are at risk? Funny that. How did I guess?

Dh has been made redundant numerous times due to the industry he is in.

I have also been made redundant in the past.

We both have concerns for our jobs long term.

So don't fucking try & lecture me.

@Wakeupin2022 Any need for the swearing? So answer this. If there is a lockdown do you have immediate concerns for losing your job?

So open your mind to the thousands, and thousands of people that will lose their jobs in the short term and try think outside your mumsnet bubble.

Look at the big picture.

If your child needs emergency treatment - will you accept them not getting it?

That is what is going to happen very soon.

Anyway , you or me have no say.

I suspect it will be announced tonight.

I might be wrong of course as this is the Tories.

But I can't see any alternative- I wish I could as its devastating for many.

@Wakeupin2022 Who are you asking?

Nick I'll ask you, shall I?

@Wakeupin2022 Fine, ask me hypothetical questions. In the unlikely event either of my children need emergency care then I’m fairly certain they will get it in my area.

So, are either of your jobs in imminent risk in the event of another lockdown? Try it without swearing this time.

Nicky is yours?

@Wakeupin2022 No answer?

My job is completely secure thankfully.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

The only people I know in real life who support them are people in public sector jobs who are at home on full pay

And even those jobs can't continue indefinitely if enough taxpayers in private sector jobs have them ripped from under them. We 100% need the public sector and almost all people there do valuable, essential jobs on which we all depend; but being blunt, they are a financial overhead to society. They all have to be paid for by people who don't work in the public sector.

As for whether lockdowns work or not, I don't see how we can categorically prove it one way or the other. If I go down my local high street spreading ten tons of Elephant Powder every day for a week and notice that, over the next three months, no elephants at all are to be seen walking down the street, does that mean that there would have been if I hadn't spread the powder? Might I also have inadvertently caused serious problems for traffic - emergency and essential delivery vehicles as well as private cars - by covering the road and rendering it nigh on impassable?

I realise that the lockdown question is by no means as black and white as this (and a whole lot more important), but still, the same principle is there to be considered.

Maternity is entirely separate. Don't scaremonger. There could be a pregnant person on here feeling very anxious. Did you get pleasure from your post?

Sorry I misquoted the wrong person but that was obviously aimed at the poster mentioning the bleeding pregnant person.

nick ah OK then.

I am not worried about imminently losing my job.

I do have other concerns about a lockdown not just for me but for family members.

Its not a situation I want to be in. But this new variant is spreading fast and is out of control.

If you had asked me 2 even 3 weeks ago I would not have supported a lockdown for many of the same reasons as you.

BUT things have changed, and I think now its the only option even though I accept it will be damaging for many.

Would I support it for a long period of time - probably not.

Would i support school closures beyond say end of Jan - NO.

I get annoyed too with people who want us to lock down at the drop of a hat and who never wanted schools to reopen. And who claim its dead easy to teach your primary school children at home.

I am worried for all those that are losing jobs etc, but I do believe if they don't get this under control and roll out vaccine ASAP (and actually succeed for once) then I think we will be in a much worse position economally - so ultimately more jobs will be lost.

So yes, it is easier for me to say lockdown as I won't be impacted financially but I was mentally & physically exhausted in July when schools stopped for summer. It wasn't easy balancing everything and I don't know if we can do it as much again. But that doesn't mean I think we should let the virus run rampant.

*economically

Our local hospital is over run now.
If schools were to reopen next week surely this will make it much harder for everyone?
We are in a tier four hotspot.
It's really bad.

No, the idea that the public sector are a financial overhead that is paid for by the private sector is flat-out wrong. Both public and private sector are parts of the overall economy. You could (in theory at least) nationalise the whole private sector or privatise the whole public sector, and as long as all people and organisations continued functioning in the same way as they did before, i.e. producing the same output, GDP would not change.

I was going from the pov of a Western democracy. Of course you can make the economy work as a whole by the government assigning everybody a job to do, allocating basic council accommodation for all, taking all the wages/profits from that job and expecting each person to ask for whatever food, clothes, essential basics etc. they require, to be given to them if it's deemed they need them.

I read a report from North Korea some time ago and one thing stuck with me: where a man who had been assigned work in a textiles factory accidentally broke a sewing machine. He was told by the boss that the machine had been a very valuable, useful asset to the country, whereas the man himself was a worthless piece of rubbish of no great use to anybody. He and his family were harshly punished for the accident; IIRC, they were thrown out on to the streets with no hope of any income for the foreseeable future.

So, yes, I accept that what I said wasn't 100% correct in all cases....

@onedayinthefuture
Maternity units are being affected by covid. There are staff shortages due to self isolation or being unwell etc.
I think the poster was trying to highlight the pressures which the nhs is currently under. Obviously a haemorrhaging woman would not be turned away.

you could (in theory at least) nationalise the whole private sector or privatise the whole public sector, and as long as all people and organisations continued functioning in the same way as they did before, i.e. producing the same output, GDP would not change.

You couldn’t do this as in theory they wouldn’t continue to produce the same output and function the same way they did before. Public and private companies have completely different economic incentives and they function in fundamentally different ways. It’s the precise reason many public services are privatized.