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To think they are far too slow

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Clappingforjoy · 30/12/2020 07:41

The government at putting UK into full lockdown cases are rising rapidly and people are still dying why so much delay.

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EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide · 30/12/2020 08:23

They are talking to hospital staff on gmtv and they are saying there are people of all ages with covid in icu and the hospitals are already overwhelmed. I agree with you op.

countrygirl99 · 30/12/2020 08:25

No, they should throw resources at rolling out the vaccine. Get the army involved, they are logistics experts. Far more useful than throwing money at destroying jobs

MistletoeandGin · 30/12/2020 08:25

@Clappingforjoy

Vaccine is going to take a long time to roll out they should lockdown until its fully available
Do you mean until it is available, or until everyone has had it? If the first, it’s available on the 4th Jan. if the second, it’ll be at least a year. It’s not even been tested on children yet, so probably longer.
MistletoeandGin · 30/12/2020 08:26

@countrygirl99

No, they should throw resources at rolling out the vaccine. Get the army involved, they are logistics experts. Far more useful than throwing money at destroying jobs
Agreed. Put the money where it will really make a difference.
SimonJT · 30/12/2020 08:27

@Clappingforjoy

Well funding is up to the government isnt it there is plenty of money in this country it just doesnt go to the right places
The funding government has available is from taxation.

If the only people paying tax are key workers where does this “plenty” money you speak of come from?

the80sweregreat · 30/12/2020 08:29

The hospitals are overwhelmed and it's critical now, but just moving a tier 2 to tier 3 isn't going to cut the mustard.
Seems the government is only bothered about Brexit vote or the tier Hokey Cokey
The vaccine news is good but will take ages to roll out still.
Far too slow but as long as Brexit vote happens who cares eh?

QuantumJump · 30/12/2020 08:29

Are you suggesting that rich people should pay for lockdown OP? How's that going to work?

50but17inside · 30/12/2020 08:35

Just think about the realities of not locking down in the light of this super transmissible strain. Just picture the scene at your local hospital. No ambulances are available so you drive your loved one in yourself, gasping for breath. The car park is covered with a tent in which people are being triaged for their chances of a good outcome .... 35 but high BMI, sorry mate, oh you have a prescription for steroids for asthma - sorry love, just come and take your chances over here, survival of the fittest is the rule here and you didn’t make the cut. No ventilator for you and even if we had one, we don’t have enough trained staff in to set it up for you. You’ve don’t even have COVID but you've had a baby and you’re bleeding? Ermmm, sorry no help available - were so short staffed as so many of our doctors are sick themselves. Just go home and see how you are tomorrow

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/12/2020 08:36

The only people I know in real life who support them are people in public sector jobs who are at home on full pay

And even those jobs can't continue indefinitely if enough taxpayers in private sector jobs have them ripped from under them. We 100% need the public sector and almost all people there do valuable, essential jobs on which we all depend; but being blunt, they are a financial overhead to society. They all have to be paid for by people who don't work in the public sector.

As for whether lockdowns work or not, I don't see how we can categorically prove it one way or the other. If I go down my local high street spreading ten tons of Elephant Powder every day for a week and notice that, over the next three months, no elephants at all are to be seen walking down the street, does that mean that there would have been if I hadn't spread the powder? Might I also have inadvertently caused serious problems for traffic - emergency and essential delivery vehicles as well as private cars - by covering the road and rendering it nigh on impassable?

I realise that the lockdown question is by no means as black and white as this (and a whole lot more important), but still, the same principle is there to be considered.

RaspberryCoulis · 30/12/2020 08:37

Nobody likes or wants a lockdown

Unfortunately you're wrong there, @Whatafustercluck. Lots of MN have loved the lockdown. Either furloughed, or working their secure job from home. Children under the age of 8 or 9. No school run, no after school activities. Lots of precious time making memories with the famalam. Hmm

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are lots of families worried about their jobs, with older children missing out on everything from education in school with subject experts and driving lessons.

No more lockdowns. Get that fucking vaccine in as many arms as quickly as possible and let us get on with it.

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Clappingforjoy · 30/12/2020 08:38

Lockdown at least until the process of vaccination is fully underway on everybody

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Clappingforjoy · 30/12/2020 08:40

There was a pist on here before with people saying how much they enjoyed working from home.
I work in care so yes I continue to earn but my wage is very poor

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the80sweregreat · 30/12/2020 08:42

Matt Hancock on ITV just now.
He mentioned the challenges around schools and the new mutual variant is moving fast and spreading further.
Schools have to wait for Gavin Williamson to make the decisions.

Quartz2208 · 30/12/2020 08:43

because there is no money and no appetite for a lockdown anymore. The rules that were for the most part religiously stuck to the first time round arent now. The money has been used up and many business that have just about kept afloat the first and second time wont last a third time.

That and the fact that this is so much more contagious exactly how far into a lockdown we would need to go.

We need to find the right balance as to how we can get the vaccine out, numbers down and protect as much as we can of the economy and the mental health of people.

SimonJT · 30/12/2020 08:43

@Clappingforjoy

Lockdown at least until the process of vaccination is fully underway on everybody
How will we pay for basic services during a year long lockdown?
CrackALack · 30/12/2020 08:43

I understand the concern over peoples jobs etc

The fact you speak about it so blasé like this shows me that you don't actually understand the concern. There is far more at stake here than just Covid. I know people like to think it's the only thing that matters but it isn't. People have genuine concerns for other things, like the economy, their livelihoods, their mental health, their general health and so on...

there is plenty of money in this country it just doesnt go to the right places

Where do you think this money comes from OP? It comes from our taxes...Confused

As PP said, if you are happy to lock yourself down, no one is stopping you. Work from home, order your shopping, don't leave the house.

Whatafustercluck · 30/12/2020 08:44

@RaspberryCoulis dh and I have both worked our secure jobs from home. We've also been homeschooling and caring for a 3yo. Out in the real world most people have struggled massively with lockdown, at a time when the weather was good. I am depressed at the thought of another lockdown, as is everybody I speak to irl. Vaccination rollout cannot happen quickly enough to protect the NHS being overwhelmed if not accompanied by another lockdown.

CrackALack · 30/12/2020 08:46

And even those jobs can't continue indefinitely if enough taxpayers in private sector jobs have them ripped from under them. We 100% need the public sector and almost all people there do valuable, essential jobs on which we all depend; but being blunt, they are a financial overhead to society. They all have to be paid for by people who don't work in the public sector

Exactly. You really do reach a point where from an economic point of view, every job, including private sector is 'key' to keeping us going.

MistletoeandGin · 30/12/2020 08:47

@Clappingforjoy

Lockdown at least until the process of vaccination is fully underway on everybody
The process of vaccination will be underway on the 4th Jan.
Diddlysquatty · 30/12/2020 08:48

YABU for not using the coronavirus topic

But other than that, I just don’t know. It’s so hard to tell and there are so many factors.

Lindtballsrock · 30/12/2020 08:49

It scares the life out of me. Not COVID,but the thought that because of COVID numbers if I or someone I love has a serious accident or illness we may not be able to get treated in hospital if there are no beds left. That’s why I would support a lockdown. If we don’t have hospitals with capacity to take in new patients we are fucked.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 30/12/2020 08:50

Exactly how will we pay for everything needed if no one
Is working ?

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Clappingforjoy · 30/12/2020 08:50

People take on too much these days massive mortgages car loans no wonder they cant cope in a lockdown

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/12/2020 08:50

So if you dont want a lockdown because you think the virus wont affect you, you better pray you and your loved ones don't get in a car crash, have a heart attack, slip and have a nasty break when you're out walking, have a stroke, have an infection that turns into sepsis etc as with a half days delay getting to hospital and no spare beds, their chances wont be good

But millions of people have already had to go without important non-emergency healthcare (many of which have actually increased to emergency level), because doctors' surgeries have ceased to function normally. National mental health in particular has been smashed with a great big lockdown hammer. It was in the news yesterday that children especially will suffer because of this for years to come. Genuine COVID deaths are very upsetting, but so are those of people of all ages taking their own lives as a direct result of the loneliness, fear and feelings that, if everything worth living for has been all but taken away from them indefinitely, why bother continuing to live them. Of those suffering mentally from all of this, many will (thankfully) not go to such desperate measures yet, but who knows about the knock-on effects further down the line?

If any death within four weeks of a positive test is considered a COVID death (even if you were already 100, very frail and barely clinging on to life - or you simply fall off a cliff or get hit by a lorry), by the same token, are we going to consider any suicides in the next year to have been caused as a direct result of lockdowns and associated government restrictions and the aftermath?

luckylavender · 30/12/2020 08:50

Nobody likes lockdowns but if it's a lockdown or watching the NHS collapse, I know which I'd chose.