Sending London patients to Yorkshire

[DeRigueurMortis]

It's been reported that due to capacity issues in London there is a proposal to send patients to Yorkshire.

London has more beds per capita than anywhere else in the country.

The nightingales have been dismantled.

In Yorkshire the rates have been high but (depending on north/south/east/west) brought into control though harsh lockdown. Those in tier 2 have been buggered by being inundated by Covid tourism and will be tier 3/4.

So Yorkshire is on the verge of it's own disaster with less beds per person than London and being overwhelmed by London cases before the local community can get a bed in their hospital.

Is it right that this should happen?

Could Yorkshire not be proud to be in a position to help out? Why this surly attitude?

I live in south Yorkshire. We've been in tier 3 since October. In April my fil was discharged from hospital with covid to a nursing home on the basis he was fit enough for rehabilitation. He died 4 days later from pneumonia and covid.

The sad reality is that's where we are heading again. If using ITU beds around the country stops that sort of shit happening then that's a good thing.

Yorkshire is not one homogenous blob, FFS!

Some people are surly.
Some people are not.

Stop referring to counties/areas as single entities.

OP, can you provide a link to the article please?

Just thinking about it, I'm presuming that it's NOT ICU patients they are transferring - patients in ICU would be far too ill to transport such a long distance. It has to be patients who are not so ill. Apologies if someone else has already linked. I really shouldn't be commenting on a thread without a source for the info myself!

i have heard it on the news.

@ObliviouslyIgnorant

OP, can you provide a link to the article please?

Just thinking about it, I'm presuming that it's NOT ICU patients they are transferring - patients in ICU would be far too ill to transport such a long distance. It has to be patients who are not so ill. Apologies if someone else has already linked. I really shouldn't be commenting on a thread without a source for the info myself!

ICU patients are transported on a fairly regular basis, I was in 2016, it isn’t a new or unusual thing.

@inquietant

Yorkshire is not one homogenous blob, FFS!

Some people are surly.
Some people are not.

Stop referring to counties/areas as single entities.

What would you call the attitude on here? Surly? I never said all Yorkshire people are surly. One of my oldest friends is from Barnsley.

ICU patients are transported on a fairly regular basis, I was in 2016, it isn’t a new or unusual thing.
Oh, I stand corrected in that case!

@Grooticle

We’re all part of one community. Living near a hospital doesn’t give you a greater right to treatment in that hospital. People will be treated as best as the nhs can, wherever it can.

This. ^

It's very common for patients to be transported within the NHS. If it was your husband/dad/mum/grandparent, you wouldn't be questioning it.

@ObliviouslyIgnorant

ICU patients are transported on a fairly regular basis, I was in 2016, it isn’t a new or unusual thing. Oh, I stand corrected in that case!

I mean, I have zero memory of it myself!

Children and babies are transported too, especially as NICU and PICU facilities aren’t as widely available. A school friend works for a service called Embrace who transport NICU and PICU patients throughout the north east.

They can keep their own patients. I’m fairly certain if we wanted to send ours there, they wouldn’t allow it.

metro.co.uk/2020/12/29/covid-patients-in-london-could-be-sent-to-yorkshire-as-icus-fill-13822443/

Some London hospitals at 113 and 114% capacity!!

Of course people should access whatever hospital they need regardless of where they live.

However, IMO if this is to happening frequently for Covid patients it may be time to look at scrapping the local tier system as it suggests different areas are becoming more interlinked are relying on each other- so shouldn't be treated as discrete areas with different restriction requirements.

I should admit that as a resident of Leicester which has suffered enormously under the tightest of restrictions since 23 March (although t3 atm) I have begun to feel that we merit more help than we have been given. Our hospitals have helped people from way outside our local area since the outset as we are one of the few areas providing a valuable ECMO service. We have still not been given a rapid test centre, and it is clear our local public health team are floundering and have failed to address the issues we face. We need additional assistance desperately! It does feel like the government proudly share our advanced healthcare facilities whilst ignoring the suffering of local people who have not been allowed household mixing since March.

I’m from Yorkshire - born there and lived there for over half my life. I now live in London - am I allowed one of these beds if necessary or have I become ineligible because of where I now live
FFS - I cannot believe the griping about sharing national facilities that I am reading on here. And to PP saying that Xmas and NY should have been cancelled well they were in London. My Yorkshire living parents and brother were allowed to have Christmas together, I was not allowed to join them.
In a crisis you should pull together and support each other not gripe that local restrictions are worse and you shouldn’t be locked down because others aren’t. And to those of you suggesting people should be left to die because they live in London and London has no beds left - quite frankly you make me sick.

@Bubblemonkey

They can keep their own patients. I’m fairly certain if we wanted to send ours there, they wouldn’t allow it.

This is an example of the 'surly' attitude I was describing. Not sure how else you'd describe it. Bubblemonkey, do you not feel part of a country? Part of a national effort? Or do you feel isolated up there in Yorkshire?

What would you call the attitude on here? Surly?
I never said all Yorkshire people are surly. One of my oldest friends is from Barnsley.

Is this comment for real?

'One of my best friends is ' is the oldest line in the book.

The way you speak about 'Northern Englanders' and 'Yorkshire' as homogenous clumps is stereotyping and ignorant. I've already said so upthread.

In the height of the pandemic Germany accepted COVID-19 patients from Bergamo, Italy in ‘flying hospitals’ to treat them in German hospitals.
Sometimes these things have to happen.
I remember twenty years ago a newborn family member being transferred up and down the country for blood transfusions. It isn’t new.

They can keep their own patients. I’m fairly certain if we wanted to send ours there, they wouldn’t allow it.

Wow. Just wow

@inquietant

What would you call the attitude on here? Surly? I never said all Yorkshire people are surly. One of my oldest friends is from Barnsley.

Is this comment for real?

'One of my best friends is ' is the oldest line in the book.

The way you speak about 'Northern Englanders' and 'Yorkshire' as homogenous clumps is stereotyping and ignorant. I've already said so upthread.

Have you read the posts from the people in Yorkshire on this thread inquietant? Or is it just mine that you're reading?

@Bubblemonkey

They can keep their own patients. I’m fairly certain if we wanted to send ours there, they wouldn’t allow it.

So you think children outside of London aren’t treated at Great Ormond Street?

Are you having a laugh?! So do you think there is an equal amount of fully trained medical staff, free respiratory equipment etc in every NHS region? Patients need to go where the care is available. And the Gov can’t conjure drs etc from out of thin air in order to level up the North!

I’m in Yorkshire and I don’t give two hoots where the patients are from as long as they get looked after.

Transferring patients out of area has been happening for years. Our nearest in County hospital is 31miles away. If we call an ambulance it will take us to the one 9 miles away that is over the County border.

I feel very sorry for the patients and their families who are being transferred due to a lack of capacity in their local area. That is an awful situation to be in.

So it may not have even happened yet and could well be that Yorkshire has a functio ning Nightingale hospital.

Whoever googled ‘massive hospitals in Leeds’

We have 2 massive hospitals in Sheffield and one is super massive. I get lost in it every time l go.

What a sad world we live in that people would RESERVE beds for locals rather than keep others alive.

I don't think that's fair. No one is saying that. Its just people in the North are only just coming out of the situation London find themselves in now, and even now the numbers are not low here. We are still being told to try keep away from hospitals

Never mind that London often takes the overflow for a large swathe of the country. London has been under tier 4 for weeks and is suffering, not because the rules aren't being followed but because people do live in close proximity, kids travel to school by public transport and shops are more crowded.

People live in close proximity here too and use public transport, a very overcrowded and under funded public transport, and we also have huge crowded shops, we also still have post industrial deprivation on a large scale. We are underfunded to start with. More people live in the urban north, along the M62 corridor, than in London. It isn't Emmerdale Farm

But yeah, no-one should be sent outside the M25 for medical help.

No one is saying that and I agree with you, the health service is for everyone in need, anywhere in the country. But it's not been easy here either in the last few months. We've been in a pretty miserable lockdown for many months, after our own numbers soared frighteningly around 1000 per 100k