Sending London patients to Yorkshire

[DeRigueurMortis]

It's been reported that due to capacity issues in London there is a proposal to send patients to Yorkshire.

London has more beds per capita than anywhere else in the country.

The nightingales have been dismantled.

In Yorkshire the rates have been high but (depending on north/south/east/west) brought into control though harsh lockdown. Those in tier 2 have been buggered by being inundated by Covid tourism and will be tier 3/4.

So Yorkshire is on the verge of it's own disaster with less beds per person than London and being overwhelmed by London cases before the local community can get a bed in their hospital.

Is it right that this should happen?

@ThelmaNotLouise

I don't begrudge anyone treatment either. I want people to come up here if they can't get a bed down south. But you can't blame some people for also being worried about what any future hospital treatment that they might need will look like. If positions were switched, there would be some Londoners telling Northerners to go fuck themselves.

@Burpeesshmurpees

Cherryroulade - I wrote that. Did you read my post? My point was that they should NOT be denied treatment

Misread clearly. Apologies.

@EttaG

And frankly even if we were badly behaved in the south (we weren't) should we be denied treatment? People in the north sacrificed to protect our hospital beds. Then people from the south swan in and reap the rewards of that sacrifice. A sacrifice they didn’t make! It’s unfair.

I know people in the north who went to a panto, mixed with households at christmas, went to the gym frequently. But because I’m not a horrible person I wouldn’t want them to be denied medical treatment. Nor am I stupid enough to think that because they went to a panto etc that everyone in the north went to a panto.

@EttaG

And frankly even if we were badly behaved in the south (we weren't) should we be denied treatment? People in the north sacrificed to protect our hospital beds. Then people from the south swan in and reap the rewards of that sacrifice. A sacrifice they didn’t make! It’s unfair.

Are you indeed Priti Patel?

She has gone downhill, as has her drinking since March. Before this, she pulled herself together and visited for a while and we dropped in when we could. Now she appears to have lost the will to live. I suppose that those allocating beds feel that she's not as deserving. There's nothing that we can do. She was discharged under a Home Treatment Team (a psychiatric service). She said that they visited her Monday but didn't visit yesterday. I've called them and they said that they did visit, but her phone is on, and she said that she has no missed calls. But yes, alcoholics are definitely low on the list for treatment. She's a smoker too!

[quote Fieldofyellowflowers]@ThelmaNotLouise

I don't begrudge anyone treatment either. I want people to come up here if they can't get a bed down south. But you can't blame some people for also being worried about what any future hospital treatment that they might need will look like. If positions were switched, there would be some Londoners telling Northerners to go fuck themselves.[/quote]
Londoners are generally used to people being transferred to London hospitals on an almost daily basis. Thats why London hospitals typically have larger facilities for families to stay in while their relative receives treatment.

Only someone who was deeply unpleasant would tell someone go fuck themselves.

I am however upset for the midlanders who are being missed out 🤣

I am in Yorkshire
We have had lockdown after lockdown after lockdown here. Apart from August we have basically been in some sort of lockdown but I thought at least it meant that our local hospitals wouldn’t be overloaded and now because we have been subjected to longer and harsher lockdowns than London our rates were falling drastically. Due to that my knee jerk reaction was that this shouldn’t happen, our rates may now go up and if there’s no hospital bed or ventilator for a member of my family because the hospital has people shipped up here from London then I would not be happy.
Then I realised that I was being unfair, we are one country and if there’s an empty bed here and someone in need of it anywhere in The UK then they should have it.
I do think that the London centric government should remember this situation in the future though when they pump all their resources into The South and leave us with the left overs

Burpeesshmurpees I'm sorry for your mother's loss. My DM also has liver cirrhosis but still drinking and she won't even be considered for a transplant until 6 months off alcohol. She has given up.

At first when London numbers were huge there was a national lockdown. That was considered unfair because the numbers weren't high elsewhere so they went to local restrictions, but that would wasn't fair because London was less affected. Now London is more affected again and it's still not fair because that means that now London beds are full and so Londoners (or actually South Easterners) are being sent elsewhere. What exactly should be done then?

It isnt true that only London was affected at first. Birmingham, Sheffield and other places, often had higher numbers than London back in the spring. That is raw numbers as well, not by capita.

This kind of London had it first, or other places didn't have huge numbers, or London is the only major urban area with overcrowding etc, is what gets peoples backs up in the rest of the country. It's like we're all being put in shadows all the time by the capital and also not as newsworthy.

I agree that we should take London people in their our of need, but 15 million people live in the North of England and most of them in crowded urban conurbations too, close to big cities and major transport networks. We are not some hillbilly backwater, but that means, hopefully, we can help in some way too.

This happens to us in normal times for anything out of the ordinary - our "local" hospital (20 miles away) doesn't have any specialist facilities, so any patients needing them are transferred a further 60 miles. It's shit but it's normal.

@EttaG

And frankly even if we were badly behaved in the south (we weren't) should we be denied treatment? People in the north sacrificed to protect our hospital beds. Then people from the south swan in and reap the rewards of that sacrifice. A sacrifice they didn’t make! It’s unfair.

"A sacrifice they didn't make!"

Nonsense. We went through the same lockdown as the rest of the nation in March and we've been Tier 4. We've sacrificed, believe me. Just ask the tens of thousands of families who've lost loved ones here. London had the highest proportion of deaths of any area in the UK between March and July.

Some posters seem to be obsessed with beds and “ resources”. Doesn’t matter how many beds you’ve got, you need bloody medical staff! And unless there is a huge supply of doctors etc stuffed in cupboards somewhere, this situation isn’t going to resolve itself any time soon.So we do what we can. We show compassion and humanity and help those who need it most wether they are wearing a flat cap or not.

EttaG I agree with you but even so I dont think people in London should be getting treated in the back of an ambulance while our hospitals are under 70% capacity.
It’s yet another failure of the Conservative govt, they locked us down/put us in T3 while London carried on as normal despite rates being comparable and now the results of that are clear
Still, from a humanitarian perspective I think we need to take some patients up here

It's very telling how much 'I'm alright Jack' there is.
There does seem to be a north/south divide that is becoming very apparent as a result of Covid.
I'm in a London borough with one of the highest rates in London. All of London was put into Tier 4. 9 million of us. Some with less than half the cases of my borough. I'm sure they're fucking fuming too! But it is what it is, and I haven't read one thread on here expressing annoyance that they, in an area with a low rate, were put into Tier 4.

@EttaG

I do think that the London centric government should remember this situation in the future though when they pump all their resources into The South and leave us with the left overs They gave London all the freedom and the North had to suffer to pay for it. Basically we have to live like monks so the Londoners can have all the beds we’re saving.

Have you ever actually met a monk?

So when Sheffield had a higher rate than London would you support residents being denied healthcare?

It's the new strain of the virus that has increased the rates in London. Not Londoners misbehaving.

@Rosehip10

The local shops for local people attitudes on this thread are a disgrace. Perhaps many of the london hospitals who do specialist cancer treatments for the whole of the uk, or gt ormond st should be for London only?

Exactly. I work in cancer care and cancer patients routinely get treated all around the country for specialized care. It's no different for covid except that this is an emergency situation.

@SimonJT

My point is, if roles were reversed, some London wouldn't be happy about northerners being transferred to their hospitals. It is called a North - South divide and not a scumbag - saint divide for a reason.

Plus, It doesn't affect most Londoners if a Northern family and their really sick baby get sent to Great Ormond Street. But if their general hospitals were being filled up with Northern covid victims, some would be opposed to that.

Anyway, like I say I'm not opposed to it, but I can understand why some people are a bit worried and are not throwing street parties in celebration.