London Hospital declares Major Incident.

[RubyViolet]

This is frightening, and it’s not the hospital that l have heard about earlier today. This is in South London and l am hearing about a hospital in North London.
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-london-queen-elizabeth-hospital-oxygen-b1779468.html

What happens next ?

Again if people took some personal responsibility for there own health and lifestyle where it comes to smoking,drugs,achol and diet. the demand would be significantly reduced . Everything I listed is directly responsible for a % of the burden on the NHS .Which would in turn leave more funding for people who have sadly succumbs to illness through no fault of there own rather than poor lifestyle choices conditions.

rwalker, this is not being said enough- poor choices= poor health= overburdened healthcare.

But no, people go about doing as they please with regards to smoking, alcohol and sugar consumption plus lack of exercise and wonder why the NHS can’t cope

I have no doubt that it is bad. But we also need some perspective. In a normal winter when the NHS becomes overwhelmed with the flu plus other non-winter pressures it's not generally pasted all over the newspapers and bulletins all day everyday making people paranoid and frightened. If you hadn't read that headline you would have carried on as normal being careful

Yes, every year hospitals are overwhelmed but this year they have an extra high volume of patients on top with covid. I don't know why this is hard to grasp. Hospitals were not coping most winters prior to this, now they have an extra cohort of patients who otherwise wouldn't be there.

if people dont believe and they just come on here for an argument.
ignore them

perhaps there wont be the usual flu cases, nor the usual fractured neck of femur in the icy weather.

@sima74

Again if people took some personal responsibility for there own health and lifestyle where it comes to smoking,drugs,achol and diet. the demand would be significantly reduced . Everything I listed is directly responsible for a % of the burden on the NHS .Which would in turn leave more funding for people who have sadly succumbs to illness through no fault of there own rather than poor lifestyle choices conditions.

rwalker, this is not being said enough- poor choices= poor health= overburdened healthcare.

But no, people go about doing as they please with regards to smoking, alcohol and sugar consumption plus lack of exercise and wonder why the NHS can’t cope

Smoking has decreased enormously over my lifetime. People are now healthier, and living longer which is part of the problem...

Like every winter then

No, not like every winter. Entirely different to have hospitals at capacity with a bed shortage, which has a short term fix, to having a shortage of the actual treatment required to treat patients.

When you or a close family member gets it and ends up in hospital, I’m sure to won’t be thinking “ahh, just like last year, shame I won’t be getting a ventilator then”

@ChloeDecker

The hospital for Greenwich and what did the government do just twice weeks ago??!!

The fact Greenwich Council tried their best to stop this from happening and the government threatened legal action on the council and schools who only wanted to try to lower cases to ease the pressure on the hospital, means this government are directly responsible for this crisis.

This.

@ChloeDecker

The hospital for Greenwich and what did the government do just twice weeks ago??!!

The fact Greenwich Council tried their best to stop this from happening and the government threatened legal action on the council and schools who only wanted to try to lower cases to ease the pressure on the hospital, means this government are directly responsible for this crisis.

This is what we should be focussing on.

The virus mutating and spreading and winter being difficult isn't a new or unusual thing. We saw it last in flu season 2018 when they didn't judge the vaccine quite right.

But the LA trying to support control of the pandemic being threatened with legal action - and the resulting deaths from that.

That's the disgrace.

But no, people go about doing as they please with regards to smoking, alcohol and sugar consumption plus lack of exercise and wonder why the NHS can’t cope

All legal, if these things are so damaging to our health, why do we allow takeaways and alcohol to be sold with little incentive not too? look at all the adverts for "just eat" or the macd adverts?

Our PM is also obese, not a great example.

We've privatised leisure centres, sold off parks and outdoor facilities, not invested in new ones.
Preventative healthcare is next to useless, plus 10 years of austerity but somehow its our fault.

Dh went back to work today after a few days off and was told a colleague had tested positive. Dh worked with him last week before Christmas. No one has told any of the staff to isolate I don't get it? If things like this are happening I'm not surprised the hospitals are overwhelmed its scary!

@EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide

Dh went back to work today after a few days off and was told a colleague had tested positive. Dh worked with him last week before Christmas. No one has told any of the staff to isolate I don't get it? If things like this are happening I'm not surprised the hospitals are overwhelmed its scary!

That’s absolutely disgusting, what sort of person would do this. This infuriates me, how do they know that their colleagues don’t live with a vulnerable person. If the employer knew they would be liable surely?

Our PM is no longer obese thank you.

@Anotherpointofview1

Major incidents happen every year. In some hospitals it happens multiple times, during the winter aka respiratory season. The memory holing of this is one of the most ridiculous aspects of this whole covid hysteria.

They regularly close our maternity unit and ship us out to other hospitals, every year the NHS is in crisis. Maybe we shouldn't have valued efficiency above all else, but bankrupting the country and wrecking the education of future generations can't be the right answer.

This exactly.

Council says- “the hospital won’t cope, close schools to reduce spread “

Ratty little Gavin says “ no I said open “
Stamps his feet in a paddy.

No look ratty Gav—- you made this worse. TWONK.

I agree with the below:

What is the point of this thread? Apart from to spread fear? I swear some people are just thriving off the drama.

To which you replied..

I started this thread to help people see what is happening in London, the media aren’t focusing on this because of Brexit / Christmas. People have a right to know

Has it not occurred to you that people just might not want to know, OP? Because I'm one of them. I have been actively avoiding the news for the best part of a week because I could feel my anxiety was beginning to spiral. I clicked on this thread, stupidly, because it was on the front page of MN and as a Londoner I felt compelled to read beyond the title. Had this not been on the front page of MN I would have been none the wiser which would have been in my best interests.

I'm sure you mean well but all of this scare mongering and "look how terrible this is!" talk serves only to frighten people.

You are not going to scare the idiots (who take no precautions) into being more careful as those types of people don't care regardless.

It's the people like me and thousands of others who do care, and have been as careful as we can be, who you will unnerve.

The MSM should be fucking ashamed of themselves for peddling endless doom and gloom. Fear sells.

I know it's shocking. Dh says that his boss won't want to shut or send staff home and he said he doubts that even if told to they would actually do it because they're money grabbers. It makes me wonder how much this is happening. In the meantime I'm on symptom watch here with us all.

Don't a lot of other Western countries expect individuals to pay into insurance schemes, pay contributions or pay additional taxes to help pay for their healthcare system. We need to do something with the NHS it is not fit for purpose based on the current funding scheme.

@tapdancingmum

The ambulance service in my area have messaged to say not to call an ambulance unless there is a real risk to life. I don't think I have seen that before. Not looking good.

I mean, the only time you should be calling an ambulance is when there's a real threat to life no?

Also major incidents are called all the time - for lack of staff, lack of beds generally every winter, IT going down, radiography going down.

Not downplaying the seriousness but it's not AS scary as it first sounds.

Just because other major incidents have been called in the past does not make this worrying.

GPs surgeries will be open tomorrow so I hope this will reduce demand for A+E a bit, as over weekends/bank holidays there has often been people going there who could be treated by a GP.

As for the government, my views about the serial killer by neglect Mr Johnson have been detailed on other threads.

All legal, if these things are so damaging to our health, why do we allow takeaways and alcohol to be sold with little incentive not too? look at all the adverts for "just eat" or the macd adverts?

I. Give. Up.

@frumpety

Agreed it is the government’s responsibility, however MANY managers in the trusts get paid much much more than the pm and have huge pensions . And when things go wrong they seem to get paid off .

@RubyViolet

For disclosure, l am in Central London with a husband who has under treatment for Cancer at a large North London Hospital. He is out of the woods now l think ( touch wood, cross fingers, ) but this situation scares me should he need more care. His observations/ scans have been less frequent than they should (every 3 months’ )and we haven’t seen a Consultant since February, it’s all done on the phone. So this does impact my life.

@LaBea . I posted this earlier.

Don't a lot of other Western countries expect individuals to pay into insurance schemes, pay contributions or pay additional taxes to help pay for their healthcare system. We need to do something with the NHS it is not fit for purpose based on the current funding scheme.

You have to remember that the Conservatives won an election on promising to strengthen the NHS and increase funding for it , increase the number of staff and also increase the number of GP appointments.

@ineedaholidaynow

Don't a lot of other Western countries expect individuals to pay into insurance schemes, pay contributions or pay additional taxes to help pay for their healthcare system. We need to do something with the NHS it is not fit for purpose based on the current funding scheme.

People avoiding tax in the upper echelons on society need to pay tax. The corporations not paying a penny need to pay. Amazon , google etc. The working and middle class can’t fund society alone.

I'm in one of the worst-affected areas of Essex. DH and I are both teachers in different schools with DC in a third school. Really hoping none of us catch it when we go back and need hospital treatment with numbers here so high. There's no reason to suspect we would, but from what I've seen of colleagues who had Covid last term, it can be a bit of a Russian roulette who can be badly affected. DH and I have seen healthy colleagues in their 30s and 40s admitted to hospital needing oxygen treatment.