To be hopefully that things will be back to normal by April

[Tellmelies65]

I’m convinced things will be mostly back to normal by April. Am in denial?

I’ve applied via 2 avenues to give the vaccine and not heard anything! I’m a dentist so am good with needles, epic with cross infection (dentists are far better than hospitals at that!) and can take and understand a full medical history.
Loads of dentists have applied and the Foundation year (qualified summer this year) have even had vaccine training but nothing so far.

I do not understand why some people seem unable to just stay at home and are desperate to go out and put people at risk.

I dont understand why half of MN want to stay indoors for the rest of their life..?
Some people need to go out to earn a living- not everyone can wfh. People who work in food production, warehouses, supermarkets, delivery drivers, farmers, utility workers,it and telecoms, sewage workers (as well as the more obvious nhs, emergency services and teachers) all go out to work which enables a large percentage ofpeople to wfh.
But while people have sacrificed not seeing friends and family, not going out, not having weddings etc its unrealistic to think that this can go on forever. People need human interaction. A year ago a huge problem was elderly people being isolated and lonely, not having human contact , the rise of self service machines meant they didnt get to chat to a person in the shop, and could go all week without speaking to people. Now some are proposing this is actually a desirable way to live exist? (For everyone!)

@Wherediditgo

It depends on what your normal is OP, that’s my take on it. If you’re a frequent traveller and gig-goer then I suspect ‘normal’ may come a bit later for you than simply being able to socialise with friends and family. I do things will be much better by April but not sure by how much.

Yes - agree with this.

Surely the definition of "normal" (which will change for each person...) is key here.

My estimate for "normal" would be the summer, because that's when I estimate I could go abroad on a holiday (I'm only doing that once I've had the vaccine - I'm cusping 40) and mix and mingle at a party without too much worry.

But if I look to another type of "normal" (seeing my parents indoors, eating in restaurants, getting kids back to school(!) without fear of further disruption, etc) then I would guesstimate it would be Easter.

I hope.

@Ylfa yes you have misunderstood how vaccines work. These are protective vaccines not transmission inducing. It isn't about hers immunity but individual protection, at the moment.

I think it will be a little later than April but there should be a lot more of normal life by the summer . We have a holiday to Italy booked at the beginning of June . I'm keeping fingers crossed !!

I think April is perfectly reasonable if people would stop panicking every time a new strain is reported!
Yes just fuels the ‘lockdowners’ which I see from the papers today is the new term for the doom mongers

@LitPeach you're either on a wind up or unhinged.

Some people take longer than 10 days to recover from covid. The majority of under 60 year olds don't. A small number get "long covid", the majority don't.

Neither of these are bad enough to shut down the country.

If you don't want to risk your health again, it's OK, but you can't expect everyone else to shut down for you.

Some people have taken longer than 10 days to recover from a bad cold in the past. Some children have reacted badly to catching chicken pox. I've heard of these things happening, I've never heard of a preschool shutting down due to an outbreak of chicken pox or flu. We've just accepted the tiny risk and got on with it.

Sickness is part of life.

*Life has changed forever- restrictions will br in place forever. We will simply not see the kind of large events and concerts again.

Instead of popping round to DM's for coffee, this will be done via zoom from now on I'm afraid.*

Mumsnet reply at it's finest!!!

I think April is optimistic. I am working on the assumption that things will be whatever the new normal is (it really won't be just like before) by this time next year and that is what I am planning around.

I find it more helpful to manage my own expectations around a more moderate plan and then I will be really happy if things move faster. This is preferable to me than the constant disappointments of " a few weeks/12 weeks/by Christmas/By Easter etc etc.

Obviously I too could be stupidly optimistic in saying by next Christmas!!!

No way will things be anywhere near normal by Easter! In fact, there will be no going back to normal so long as COVID is being transmitted.

Long COVID has the potential to leave millions of healthy adults and DC permanently disabled if the virus is allowed to run unchecked.

I'd also rather myself and my DC were not laid up in bed for days with a temperature and pains even with a mild case

Life has changed forever- restrictions will br in place forever. We will simply not see the kind of large events and concerts again.

Instead of popping round to DM's for coffee, this will be done via zoom from now on I'm afraid.

The sooner people understand this, the better

I dont know why anyone would post this even if they fervently believed it. It could tip someone over the edge

[quote onedayinthefuture]@LitPeach you're either on a wind up or unhinged. [/quote]
My thoughts exactly.

LitPeach sounds remarkably familiar to some other posts I've seen under different usernames. Funny that.

@Bluntness100

I think so yes, unless something terrible happens like a strain they can’t vaccinate against them I think we will be back to normal by Easter.

They simply need to protect the medically vulnerable. If anyone else gets it the hospitalisation rates will be very very low and easily manageable. And if they can also treat it, then it will be better still.

So yes, I would agree as it stands now the odds are by Easter we will be back to normal.

Nope. Things will start to get back towards normal at Easter, but there'll still be plenty of restrictions and certain places/events closed until probably mid-late Summer.

You say "protect the medically vulnerable", but lots of them work, i.e. teachers, shop workers, restaurant staff, Uni lecturers, nurses, etc. Things can't go back to normal if such workers need to be "protected". So, no it's not actually possible to "protect the vulnerable" as that's incompatible with things being normal, as you need those people to work in "normal" jobs, events, etc.

@bumbleymummy

I think April is perfectly reasonable if people would stop panicking every time a new strain is reported!

That will depend on workers (and their unions). It's being said that Uni lecturers won't be going back to normal face to face teaching until next October at the earliest and that online/remote learning will be the norm for most students for the rest of the current academic year. So, that's basically everyone involved with universities not back to "normal" for another 10 months!

Op I think it will depend on the new strain and to what degree it affects children and young people.

If they force schools back and it does push young people into hospital in greater numbers then I suspect we could be in trouble until May when it's warmer.

However, if they don't experiment on our dc and they don't end up in hospital, testing and vaccines start to kick in.. The weather will be with us I do think April, is when the tide will turn.

I hope so because I have European holidays booked in April!

UK holiday booked for May.

This is definitely the dark before the day.

Delusional

April, no chance

These bacon es are ta golden ticket, it's not forever immunity, plus the fact we can't vaccinate everyone on the same day, maybe annually, and so much like the painting of the forth bridge, we'll be living a different kind of life going forwards

@iamusuallybeingunreasonable

Finally someone gets it.

I'm afraid those who think life as it was in 2019 will ever return are deluded.

It will be weddings and events by zoom in future. We will all need to get used to spending a lot more time in our own homes.

[quote LitPeach]@iamusuallybeingunreasonable

Finally someone gets it.

I'm afraid those who think life as it was in 2019 will ever return are deluded.

It will be weddings and events by zoom in future. We will all need to get used to spending a lot more time in our own homes.[/quote]
Hahahaha stop... you’re killing me!!
And the ‘I’m afraid’ bit again!!

You’re funny.

[quote LitPeach]@iamusuallybeingunreasonable

Finally someone gets it.

I'm afraid those who think life as it was in 2019 will ever return are deluded.

It will be weddings and events by zoom in future. We will all need to get used to spending a lot more time in our own homes.[/quote]
Sorry my predictive went wrong and I hate you can't just easily edit/correct after paying!!

I meant The vaccine isn't a golden ticket

I'd like things to go back to normal, but being a realist I cannot see how, the only way is if we just accept the virus and live with it, and the vulnerable can't do that, so life has changed.

I can't see me ever going anywhere public without a mask, as a Londoner I recall the days I'd be bemused by the visiting Chinese/Japanese tourists all masked up, now I understand!

How are people going to meet their partners who they then marry in zoom weddings in your dystopian future?

@LitPeach summin wrong with you hun

@LitPeach the most annoying thing about your post (and it kills me to say that as I’m sure being annoying is your modus operandi) is that where other posters are obviously just giving their opinions and hopes, you are stating your point of view as if it is an actual fact, but you don’t back it up with any scientific evidence and you don’t say why you are uniquely qualified to pontificate.

Let me know if you’re Chris Whitty in real life and I’ll be happy to give your opinion some consideration.

@MargosKaftan

I keep reading about it taking a long time to vaccinate everyone so we will be in tier 4 for at least until that's done- but no one answers my question about why we would bother worrying about how many people have it once the people having it arent going to hospital or dying from it?

If those who will potentially die or be sick enough to need overnight stay in hospital (let alone ICU treatment) arent catching covid, and the only people catching covid are the majority who will be sick for a few days then bounce back, whats the point in restrictions?

As soon as all the vunerable and elderly have been vaccinated (or enough so the numbers left over arent going to crash the NHS if they all catch covid within the same fortnight), surely that's the point we just get on with life as if covid is a normal flu bug, why would we wait until everyone has been vaccinated?

Why do people on here think we will wait until everyone has had the vaccine to lift restrictions?

Whitby explained this quite well a few weeks ago. Once all the priority groups have been vaccinated, the government are likely to slowly lift some of the tighter restrictions and see how that affects numbers. If it’s steady away they’ll ease restrictions further and monitor the impact. And so on.

They can’t suddenly lift all restrictions, as the number of people who are not in the priority groups would cause problems for the nhs as covid would rip through very quickly. Too many people in their 30’s and 40’s all catching it in a very very short time period would take up too much bed capacity, even though the individual risk is low. I suppose we have to remember that there are underlying conditions that could make people

The American guy, Dr Faucci(?) has just said 2021 will be worse than 2020😭