Anyone despair a bit at folk still going on holiday

[Rainysun188]

I think it’s just adding to the problem. I’m not jealous at all as I hate flying. I feel really sorry for those working in hospitals when some people are still going abroad and potentially taking the virus there or bringing it back.

Plus of course you are not allowed to travel into or out of Tier 4. But everyone I know who went on holiday this Christmas travelled from Tier 1/2/3 into Tier 4 to catch their flight. And will travel back out of Tier 4 to return home,

Which is of course, agree with it or not, allowable...

From www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

"International travel to or from a Tier 4 area
........If you live outside a Tier 4 area you may still transit into or through a Tier 4 area to travel abroad if you need to..."

Hospital worker here.

You don’t know peoples reasons OP. You don’t know what they have going on in their life or the state of their mental health.

@DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow

Not so nice for the Madivians you infect though. Going to low infection places is cunty too

I completely agree with you, but honestly, it's on the Maldives to ban entry from the UK. Obviously UK citizens aren't going to stop flying out to where they want to, and equally the Maldives don't seem to have a problem with it- or they would have banned incoming flights or refused entry.

They need jobs like the rest of us. The hotels would go bust if nobody flew.

There’s no need for anyone to go abroad and possibly take the new variant

Yep. Dashing through an almost empty supermarket with its doors open for fresh air is nothing like an enclosed plane.
I don't believe for one moment those air filters in planes are as effective as they want people to believe.

I'm quite shocked that so many people are still going abroad, not so much because of the risk of catching the virus (its probably no higher), but the risk of Borders being shut and not being able to get home, especially if you have children with you.

@Rainraincloud

There’s no need for anyone to go abroad and possibly take the new variant

That’s your choice. If Borris thought the same he would sort it out just like everybody been in different tiers it’s doing nothing. You can’t really grudge people that they have got tired and fed up of the lack of organisation..

I don’t agree Littleyell- I think people should be responsible

@Rainraincloud it’s not against the law.

Even if it’s not against the law it doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. Anyway our viewpoints will never agree.

"Going on a plane is no different than going to Asda or Tesco really. Mix of people in an enclosed space."

No way is this right.
However, if people are allowed to go on holiday, they're allowed to go on holiday and your complaint should be to their governments and not to them.
Where I live we are being asked to go abroad, but there is no problem with staying in a hotel in the same country. I have considered it, even though I wouldn't like it if I lived in the countryside and people were travelling to us.

How are they skiing didn’t think the lifts open?

@Rainraincloud

Even if it’s not against the law it doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. Anyway our viewpoints will never agree.

It’s a business!! A lot of people would be out of a job. Travel agents and so on. Why do you think we come out of lockdown. Absolutely not because your view is from one side.

So around 200 very responsible British tourists have overnight disappeared from their Quarantine quarters in Verbier.Most thought to have made their way to France. Others will no doubt have to suffer for their selfishness.

@schnubbins

So around 200 very responsible British tourists have overnight disappeared from their Quarantine quarters in Verbier.Most thought to have made their way to France. Others will no doubt have to suffer for their selfishness.

Actually about 350. 350 people who decided that they were so special that the rules didn't apply to them. Only a dozen remained in the accommodation.

Turns out the Venn diagram for 'British people who ski in Verbier' and 'twats' is a circle. Something to remember for the future.

I feel sorry for the poor crew working in such a closed environment often for long periods of time.

@schnubbins

So around 200 very responsible British tourists have overnight disappeared from their Quarantine quarters in Verbier.Most thought to have made their way to France. Others will no doubt have to suffer for their selfishness.

Thats just dreadful

Can they be tracked...and ideally charged with something

I agree that it’s doesn’t seem sensible to go on holiday just now, but then it doesn’t seem sensible to have families mixing with hundreds of others via school and work, both things are allowed.

As long as people are expected to risk themselves and their families by working in a school or sending their children to one, then it’s understandable that they will also want to take risks that they choose.

That is dreadful

I agree that it’s doesn’t seem sensible to go on holiday just now, but then it doesn’t seem sensible to have families mixing with hundreds of others via school and work, both things are allowed.

Some experts are saying that working the tills in Asda and getting an education are different to skiing in Verbier. IKR? Experts!

@megletthesecond

Yep. Dashing through an almost empty supermarket with its doors open for fresh air is nothing like an enclosed plane. I don't believe for one moment those air filters in planes are as effective as they want people to believe.

Apples and Oranges..how easy is it to "dash" through the unfiltered air on the public transport many people use to get to or from an airport (not everybody rocks up in their own car?

A significant proportion of the air in an airliner cabin has actually been freshly introduced from outside..the portion that has been recycled has been through the HEPA filters and the technical opinion is still, even now, that the filters continue to be very effective and coupled with at most airlines monitored (by the crew) mask wearing and restriction of movement around the cabin.

I get it that whether people should be travelling at all. is obviously a matter for great debate here but objectively the risk of catching covid via the airflow whilst onboard an airliner is extremely low compared with the other potential vectors.

I feel more sorry for the countries they visit. We are so full of Covid in our country, much much worse than most other countries.

I'm not that bothered by what other people do but I really don't get people still booking ahead when there's so much uncertainty about Covid and domestic and world travel.

@MsTSwift

How are they skiing didn’t think the lifts open?

FWIW whilst I'm not sure about the situation in Switzerland at the French resorts whilst the lifts are not allowed to operate access to the slopes is allowed for other recreation such as snow shoeing.

As a result the fit, keen and hardy have been walking to the top of the runs and then skiing down...

Yes according to German media there were 420 persons who were to be quarantined .50 of those apparently returned to the UK but this morning there were only a handful left in their quarantine rooms in the hotels , the rest had upped and left during the night.
The ski lifts are open in Switzerland not in Italy or Germany.Some opened in Austria today but had to be closed soon afterwards due to the large crowds and lack of social distancing .

Thanks schnubbins

www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-12-27-%0A---british-ski-tourists-have-fled-from-swiss-hotel-quarantine%0A--.rJMhbEWL6v.html

Interesting that it appears that the quarantine was imposed retrospectively on arrivals from the UK and the RSA(?), several days after these people arrived at the resort...