Anyone despair a bit at folk still going on holiday

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I think it’s just adding to the problem. I’m not jealous at all as I hate flying. I feel really sorry for those working in hospitals when some people are still going abroad and potentially taking the virus there or bringing it back.

Yes and I punish them by not liking their holiday pics on Facebook

@User158340 it's not foolproof though - there have been cases where people have tested negative to travel and then symptoms have appeared a few days into their holiday.

I doubt she's the only health care worker who's done this

Nope only friend who has been away this year works in the hospital. Not recently however back when the ban was lifted. Definitely did them good though think needed the escape after everything.

Would definitely judge now however.. bit silly to risk it as well.

I know a family who are away somewhere sunny at the moment. We're in Tier 3, for context.

I am strangely mesmerised by her constant social media updates, deploring having to wear a mask on the long plane journey, and showing disappointment and surprise at the fact that a lot of the facilities at the resort are either closed or modified access (ie have to wear mask in the gym and limited time slot, no kids club etc.)

It's like they don't know there is a global pandemic going on, it's all very strange.

Yes. The mutated strain from the UK has been detected for the first time here - France- in someone over here on holiday. I can’t understand how people are still allowed to travel. If borders had been resolutely closed in March ( or even better before the ski season kicked off) we wouldn’t be in the shit that we are in now.

I agree. Borders should’ve been closed.

The mass panic to get home in March appears lost on some. People were stranded in awful conditions.

Why would you risk it?

@AntennaReborn I get some fun from reading Tripadvisor reviews where hotels and restaurants get unfairly marked down for observing regulations e.g. no entertainment inside in the evening.

Are the holiday takers not worried about insurance, or lack of?

Those slippery, double speak, fine print fuckers
I wouldn’t trust the insurance I’d bought to see me right if I had a medical emergency (even non-Covid related) at the moment; or an extended stay due to lack of flights etc...

[quote chocolatemonster]@User158340 it's not foolproof though - there have been cases where people have tested negative to travel and then symptoms have appeared a few days into their holiday.[/quote]
As I say, the borders should have been pretty much shut this year which would have kept a lid on it a lot more. Going on foreign holidays in the middle of a pandemic is very selfish, but if it's allowed then people will do it. If they do it then they need a test before they go and quarantine when they come back.

The problem is, if you're selfish enough to go on foreign holidays right now then you may well be selfish enough to ignore quarantine and go down the pub instead like the Bolton

...man did. Or go straight back to school, workplace or college.

wait till the entitled insist that skiing is safe

@AntennaReborn

I know a family who are away somewhere sunny at the moment. We're in Tier 3, for context.

I am strangely mesmerised by her constant social media updates, deploring having to wear a mask on the long plane journey, and showing disappointment and surprise at the fact that a lot of the facilities at the resort are either closed or modified access (ie have to wear mask in the gym and limited time slot, no kids club etc.)

It's like they don't know there is a global pandemic going on, it's all very strange.

Is that the good old British common sense that Boris always assured will pull us through?

@Pluckedpencil

Going on a plane is no different than going to Asda or Tesco really. Mix of people in an enclosed space. Actually, it's safer, as you have to have a negative test now to go on a plane. Most of Europe have similar levels to us, so I don't think it is that selfish really. J judge people more.whk go.around to each others houses in big numbers!!

Do you go to the supermarket for 6 hours? Def not the same...

Oh and does the whole family and their whole web of contacts and work / school contacts go to the supermarket with you? And is the plane an essential like food shopping?
It's all about reducing exposures - it's impossible to limit to completely zero but by doing only the essentials is less contacts so less chance of exposure...

@AuntyFungal

Are the holiday takers not worried about insurance, or lack of?

Those slippery, double speak, fine print fuckers
I wouldn’t trust the insurance I’d bought to see me right if I had a medical emergency (even non-Covid related) at the moment; or an extended stay due to lack of flights etc...

Completely agree with this. Not only insurance but as I say to my OH what if you actually got I'll abraod... it's hard enough to navigate the nhs in the pandemic having no visitors and no one at the hospital to advocate for you let alone in a foreign country.... and what's gonna happen to your kids if you take ill abroad. We are such a spoilt society that "holidays" are so important - makes me sick actually

@MrsTerryPratchett

As I said on another thread, it's a bit cunty.

But then some people are.

This. Although it seems only on MN lots of these people exist. In real life everyone I know is doing their best to stick to the rules....

Oh and you're right! My dad died abroad last year - pre pandemic - out of no where age 69... the insurance wanted to see medical records and everything before agreeing to bring him home. I could only get the ball rolling as I thankfully had enough money to tell the repatriation company to get moving without instance approval as I would pay if they didn't and as I could pay for flights and hotel for me to and get him home.

Yes - my head has gone to Dubai for Christmas. Given that the list of places you have to isolate when coming back is constantly changing I think it's really irresponsible. I'd love to know what would happen re pay if she got stuck out there!

PCR testing to get on a flight to the UK is possible to enforce, and all other ports of entry. Should be done. And 6 days or so later too

My friend had a routine PCR and dicovered he was positive while in a metting. Then had to isolate in a hoyel for 2 weeks u til he had two negative tests

my head has gone to Dubai for Christmas. Given that the list of places you have to isolate when coming back is constantly changing I think it's really irresponsible.

Her call though isn't it? She's abiding by the rules, which appears to be such that HMG have judged that what they are doing is a much as risk as going shopping or travelling on public transport in the UK.

Now if the rules for return from Dubai changed whilst they were away, testing came in, quarantine came back in and they chose to ignore the rules..then and only then would I think calling them irresponsible would be justified...

Oh I would love a holiday right now, sunshine swimming...

Testing to get into or back into UK is a good thing for two reasons. Firstly it will detect some - but not all - coronavirus cases. Secondly it adds cost and complication to the trip so will put a lot of people off.

We're no saints - back in November when numbers were a bit lower we thought about a week in Tenerife prior to Christmas. What put us off was cost and implications of getting a covid test to go. If we had tested positive not only would we not be able to go away, we'd have had to fully isolate over Christmas which would have been grim.

And who'd want to be stuck in Dubai if they got a positive test at some point, with their stellar record of excellent human and particularly women's rights.

Very rich friends of friends have gone - Whilst simultaneously complaining about the impact that the tiers have had on their business - but they are rich enough to buy their way out of trouble. Jealous you say well yes to be fair I am a bit,.

I wouldn’t worry about ‘bringing something back’ seeing as the rates in the UK are some of the worst in the world. Taking the virus with me I would be worried about but seeing as flights from the UK are banned from so many places at the moment and the ones that have not banned us require a negative test I would say the risk is minimal.

Someone I know has gone to the Maldives for 10 days. Tier 4. That’s a 10 hr flight.