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notevenat20 · 2020-12-22T10:12:15+00:00

I read about the covid situation in London and it sounds bad. I see the graphs of case numbers and it looks terrible. But my doctor friend who was called up in lockdown 1 and is ready to be called again has heard nothing this time round. It seems they are not running out of capacity at all. Why is this and what is the real situation?

partyatthepalace · 23/12/2020 01:01

Early send... but I think it is now climbing everywhere

PawPawNoodle · 23/12/2020 01:06

I'm in Hackney (everyone's so cagey about their location on here...) and live quite near to the main hospital. They closed the hospital to visitors well before T4 but for a long time they just had the 1 covid inpatient. There seems to be a bit more ambulance activity lately.

Mr Noodle is working in a school doing construction on the other side of Hackney and it had to close as 17(!!!) staffmembers tested positive.

Day to day life is much the same around here apart from all the fun places being closed. Still don't personally know anyone that's had it.

Firebird83 · 23/12/2020 06:05

Until yesterday I didn’t know anyone who had had it, but now my uncle and his whole household have got it.

KatherineJaneway · 23/12/2020 06:41

I live in East London and my local hospital's ICU is full. They are practicing early discharge procedures although I am unclear exactly what that entails apart from the obvious.

willsantausesantatize · 23/12/2020 06:46

Not London but essex ( about 40 miles from London) and it's rife where I am now. A few people who were ' covid deniers' are now testing positive.
It's getting bad.

Crakeandoryx · 23/12/2020 06:51

I live in the north, high risk area. Most of my neighbours have had it, us included. Schools were remote learning last week of term and many shut early because no teaching staff were available.

We're tier 3 but shops are quiet, it's all deliveries and click and collect from local businesses. It's been like this for months. Tier 4 will make very little difference to our way of life.

PimlicoJo · 23/12/2020 07:06

I'm in south London. I knew of several people who had it in March, then of no-one until the last 2 weeks. Now I'm hearing daily of people locally who have tested positive.

tinybitsoflego · 23/12/2020 07:12

Not Whips Cross Hospital @baublesbaubleseverywhere

However bad things are where I am re. the second wave, they are probably worse for Whips Cross!

bunwell · 23/12/2020 07:32

We had it in March and lots of people we know did. Since then know no one whose had it, bar a few cases in school.

KatherineJaneway · 23/12/2020 08:56

@tinybitsoflego

Not Whips Cross Hospital *@baublesbaubleseverywhere*

However bad things are where I am re. the second wave, they are probably worse for Whips Cross!

They are. The MP raised the issues faced in the Commons.

calliealbert · 23/12/2020 09:30

The total number of COVID-19 cases reported up to 21 December 2020 in London is 258,686

Needmoresleep · 23/12/2020 10:41

I thought I would share something from the Washington Post today talking about our mutant virus:

“It may very well be here. It may have even started here. The sequencing in the U.S. is so sporadic,” Jeremy Luban, a virologist at the University of Massachusetts Medical School, told The Washington Post.

As the CDC pointed out, we know little about the variants circulating in the United States because the country has failed to take advantage of genetic sequencing. The U.K., on the other hand, is leading the charge.

“It makes sense that it was detected first in the U.K. because they have probably the world’s best surveillance program. It would not shock me at all to find out that it also is circulating in the U.S.,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Georgetown Center for Global Health Science and Security.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 23/12/2020 11:00

@willsantausesantatize

Not London but essex ( about 40 miles from London) and it's rife where I am now. A few people who were ' covid deniers' are now testing positive. It's getting bad.

So what is there take on it now?

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 23/12/2020 11:06

@tinybitsoflego

Not Whips Cross Hospital *@baublesbaubleseverywhere*

However bad things are where I am re. the second wave, they are probably worse for Whips Cross!

Everything is always worse at Whipps Cross! At the best of times you could go in there for a ingrown nail and end up getting good knows what. Hospital just isn't fit for purpose structurally or medically.

RosesAndHellebores · 23/12/2020 11:14

What I want to know is whether the hospital admissions are proportionate to the number of cases in the community and what the age bands are for admissions.

If admissions do not involve school aged children then the govt needs to get the teachers vaccinated pdq and ahead of the elderly who have choices vis a vis interactions.

lavenderlou · 23/12/2020 11:16

I think it depends which part of London. I'm in Essex too and it's horrendous here. We have over 1000 cases per 100,000. I know lots of people who have it currently. Most of the local schools were closed in the run-up to Christmas. I have friends in SW London and cases are much lower there.

pusscatsinblankets · 23/12/2020 11:45

@KatherineJaneway

I live in East London and my local hospital's ICU is full. They are practicing early discharge procedures although I am unclear exactly what that entails apart from the obvious.

Ensuring everyone who is medically fit for discharge has their discharge facilitated as rapidly as possible, with same-day follow up at home by the necessary teams, such as OT, physio, social care.

KatherineJaneway · 23/12/2020 11:55

Ensuring everyone who is medically fit for discharge has their discharge facilitated as rapidly as possible, with same-day follow up at home by the necessary teams, such as OT, physio, social care.

Thanks Puss

BusMum79 · 23/12/2020 12:12

I’m in SE London. We had it in March (pre-testing) and, although moderate, it took til end of October for my sense of taste & smell to return to normal. For a really long time, the only people we knew who’d also had it were all ill in the first lockdown. Then only one or two school cases until the last few weeks, when it seems to be all around. One case last week in DS’s year (not his bubble) - other children who’ve tested positive now were, as others have said, asymptomatic but tested pre (now abolished) Christmas mixing and parents surprised by positive results. When we were ill, my husband & I and baby were quite unwell. Two DSs appeared absolutely fine - absolutely no idea whether they had it or not but obviously it was all over the house.

lljkk · 23/12/2020 16:43

Our local hospitals are having trouble discharging the recent covid+ into some kind of community care. Care homes won't have them back and they may not be suitable to live alone with zero/near-zero personal support as allowed under T4 rules. Classic bed-blocking problem.

MarshaBradyo · 23/12/2020 16:44

@lljkk

Our local hospitals are having trouble discharging the recent covid+ into some kind of community care. Care homes won't have them back and they may not be suitable to live alone with zero/near-zero personal support as allowed under T4 rules. Classic bed-blocking problem.

A while ago there was talk of having another place for people to go. Positive cases allowed. Wish they had sorted it out.

pusscatsinblankets · 23/12/2020 17:18

@lljkk

Our local hospitals are having trouble discharging the recent covid+ into some kind of community care. Care homes won't have them back and they may not be suitable to live alone with zero/near-zero personal support as allowed under T4 rules. Classic bed-blocking problem.

Tier 4 doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to have care visits to their home, be them from formal carers or family. And testing +ve isn't a reason to be discharged home if they can be managed safely with a care package / support. In my area we have step down beds for people who aren't ready to return home or to a care home.