Why do people keep saying that others are prolonging this?

[Raiseny]

It’s driving me mad! It’s a virus! Socialising isn’t prolonging it or setting us back, it’s making it risky for the nhs to manage. Of course that’s something we need to consider but wake up! There’s other illnesses, mental health being key here, that matter.

The virus isn’t going away. Tiers or no tiers. It’s a virus! It mutates, as all Coronaviruses do. I’m so sick of the virtue signalling like meeting a friend for a coffee has caused the virus to stay around longer. It hasn’t.

Stop making people feel bad for needing their friends and family enough to risk transmission. Am I really on my own with this?!

Everyone who stays in their house acting like they are the second fucking coming of Christ is relying on other people to not do this so they can eat, have power, the internet..... I find the virtue signalling absolutely hilarious. Staying locked in your house does not make you a better person.

Because they bloody well are!

Its not those of us who are forced to stay at home because our offices/shops/whatever have been closed.

I can count the number of people outside my own home I've been anywhere close to and have fingers left over.

@tappitytaptap

Everyone who stays in their house acting like they are the second fucking coming of Christ is relying on other people to not do this so they can eat, have power, the internet..... I find the virtue signalling absolutely hilarious. Staying locked in your house does not make you a better person.

Totally agree. The amount of people who think if we all stayed at home it would "go away", and that it's being spread by "rule breakers" is astonishing. People not following guidelines might cause some spread, but it's spreading mainly in unavoidable places like work, school, hospitals and care homes.

@tappitytaptap

Everyone who stays in their house acting like they are the second fucking coming of Christ is relying on other people to not do this so they can eat, have power, the internet..... I find the virtue signalling absolutely hilarious. Staying locked in your house does not make you a better person.

Damn straight!!

These "stay the fuck at home" worshippers can only do this because the government is funding people to do it, and because other people HAVE to continue to go out to work.

Virtue signalling twits that actually have NO IDEA what it takes to make the country run.

I can work from home (I don’t like it, but I am) but I am under no illusion that all jobs can. The people who can work from home are often accused of wanting lockdowns - not me, I want a functioning economy please, and I am capable of understanding outside my own situation.

I hate working from home. My mental health is shot. I’m having vaguely suicidal thoughts and desperately want things back to normal. However, I know if we act like things are normal it won’t be good.

I have no criticism of people who have to go to work or education. I really don’t and I appreciate that I am relatively fortunate but we really need to just try to get through the next three months as sensibly as we can until the vulnerable are vaccinated.

@tappitytaptap

Everyone who stays in their house acting like they are the second fucking coming of Christ is relying on other people to not do this so they can eat, have power, the internet..... I find the virtue signalling absolutely hilarious. Staying locked in your house does not make you a better person.

Yes- agree.

There are a group of people who truly think that those who have caught Covid are reckless and caught it while breaking the rules when the reality is that most caught it at jobs and schools where social distancing isn't possible or in hospitals and care homes and where they are not in control of their environment.

We hear about illegal raves and the holiday makers who don't quarantine (Covidiots) but we shouldn't lump the unlucky ones with them.

@Yellowsubmaryne

Stop making people feel bad for needing their friends and family enough to risk transmission

Stop breaking the fucking rules and putting us all into lockdown. Of course socialisation is spreading the virus.

Virus spread = more hospital admissions = tighter restrictions = even worse mental health. Not rocket science.

My mental health would be much better if we hadn’t been put in T4. But thanks to people who think like you, my social options have been severely restricted and I can’t even meet my family for a socially distanced walk. Thanks a lot, I hope your coffees were worth it.

Well said.

I think when people say those who break the rules are prolonging things most mean prolonging the period/s that we need restrictions for- not necessarily prolonging the time that the virus is around.

The restrictions are aimed at preventing the nhs from being overwhelmed, not at making the virus go away. So the more people stick to the restrictions/limit social contact etc the quicker the case numbers reduce to a level that is manageable. So in that sense I entirely understand why those who have been sacrificing their own livelihoods/social lives etc to stick to the rules feel annoyed with those who decide they will please themselves.

'If everyone in the world stayed still for one month the virus would die.'

Everyone in the whole world stays indoors for one month and sees no one outside their household.

Putting aside the fact that lots of people around the world live in slums, don't have space or money to store food for a month etc etc

The power would stop wouldn't it? And the sewage system. What happens about nuclear power stations? I'm sure there's other things we rely on that I haven't thought of, or would be dangerous with no one looking after them.

What happens about hospitals and care homes? Do the people all get sent home? The people in intensive care and ICU would be deserted to just die there? Women giving birth at home with no midwives, that would have consequences.

Then enforcement. There's no police working at least not going out. Wouldn't there be looting and that?

I'm sure there's more but this idea seems Ill thought out to me. I can't remember who posted it but would be keen to hear some more detail around the practicalities.

@Florelei

I don’t think we are saying covid deaths are more or less important than other deaths. I thought it was more about making sure that the nhs wasn’t overwhelmed. Because that wouldn’t just mean people with covid who could have otherwise been saved dying but anyone who needs hospital treatment. You’re in a car crash? Sorry, there’s no one to help you. Heart attack/stroke - take your chances.

Also, how can socialising not assist in the spread of covid? I genuinely can’t understand that.

The NHS is overwhelmed every winter.

@bumbleymummy - what do you suggest then? If, as you say, the NHS is overwhelmed as its baseline position each winter then what’s the answer? Genuine question.

Yep.

It is an absolute fairy tale to believe that lockdowns work or that if people had followed the rules we would have got rid of the virus by now.

The virus was already in the country and widespread by the time of the 1st lockdown so it was already too late. NZ managed it because they closed the country (flights and all) early and because of their small population.

There is no logic in having more lockdowns while schools/universities remain open as they are a major vector for the virus spreading.

Places like Spain and Italy have stricter, better followed lockdowns and that did not work.

I think there is a lot of denial going on and I can't fathom why at this stage anyone would believe anything Hancock says...

I also wonder if by supressing this and locking in healthy individuals (rather than the elderly and the vulnerable) we are not actually making things worse and causing this virus to linger and mutate rather than burn itself out.

Florelei, I would vaccinate the health workers to help sort out staff shortages due to illness/having to isolate and the more vulnerable who are more likely to end up in hospital. I would let everyone else get back to work and get on with it.

I agree OP.
And announcing such a drastic measure pretty much out of the blue, so close to Christmas has now just caused mass panic. Panic results in people acting irrationally, without sense and taking drastic measures. It’s resulted in the mass exodus we saw at train stations across London and people cramming into cars to escape Tier4, bringing the virus with them to the rest of the country. Also packed stations with zero social distancing and a lot of people not wearing masks- so many people would have passed it on/caught it there yesterday. It’s resulted in the probably millions of people who thought they were being hosted somewhere else for Christmas, now without food, and now queuing round the block - again in tightly packed queues many without masks to get some grub in.
This is no better than allowing people showing no symptoms to spend Christmas Day with their families assuming none they are with fall into the vulnerable category.

Borders closed until the whole world has received it. Sadly that is completely unfeasible and unethical.
I don’t find it unethical. That’s exactly what New Zealand has done.

And no, I don’t like global vaccine rationing h til the worlds 20% most vulnerable are done.

Don’t be daft. We don’t all need to be vaccinated. For most of us this is a really mild illness.

@NiceGerbil

'If everyone in the world stayed still for one month the virus would die.'

Everyone in the whole world stays indoors for one month and sees no one outside their household.

Putting aside the fact that lots of people around the world live in slums, don't have space or money to store food for a month etc etc

The power would stop wouldn't it? And the sewage system. What happens about nuclear power stations? I'm sure there's other things we rely on that I haven't thought of, or would be dangerous with no one looking after them.

What happens about hospitals and care homes? Do the people all get sent home? The people in intensive care and ICU would be deserted to just die there? Women giving birth at home with no midwives, that would have consequences.

Then enforcement. There's no police working at least not going out. Wouldn't there be looting and that?

I'm sure there's more but this idea seems Ill thought out to me. I can't remember who posted it but would be keen to hear some more detail around the practicalities.

I'm not saying they should, or even that they could.

All I am saying is that theoretically if we did, the virus would die. Which proves that it's the spread between people keeping it alive.

That's what the OP didn't seem to understand.

Actually, it is prolonging the virus. If the virus was physically unable to spead to another host it would die. You need to get scienfically educated I'm afraid.

Wtf Scouser I assume you've posted that for a reaction.

Mrs brunch ok then.