Is the stay at home order actually law?

[Minaun]

As per the title. Having a heated discussion at the moment. Is this the law or just advisory?
Thank you.

No because that isn’t what it says.

@MaryLeeOnHigh

It will be law shortly, and it will be fully enforceable.

Of course it won't.

The law is not expected to be published till tomorrow, i was expecting another 2345 job.

Bojoooooooo

Anyone know what exercise is allowed please - ie for how long are you allowed outside.

As much as you like, same as first time round.

Since Parliament is not sitting, I don't see how Tier 4 etc. can be law.

I guess they will fudge some kind of process to make it into law tomorrow in business hours, else Monday.

Jeez people don't half spout some nonsense on here. I see we are back to where we were earlier in the year with with Mumsnetters making up there own bloody laws 🙄

As subordinate legislation (under the existing act) the regulations can be published without a vote or parliament sitting. But they have left it pretty late. If they intend to publish in the morning I feel very sorry for the lawyers drafting it overnight.

@blackbearder

Anyone know what exercise is allowed please - ie for how long are you allowed outside.

No limit on Solo exercise or sitting in a park bench with your kit kat

The only practical difference about exercise from last time is that we can't go out of our tier 4. When it was a national lockdown it was reasonable for my walk to go over the border (only 1/2 mile away) but (subject to the legislation actually saying this) it might not be. When we were in tier 3 (today, for one day only) it was guidance and not in the regs, so I hope it's the same for tier 4. Either way I'll still be aiming to walk / cycle in the quietest areas near me.

@Minaun

Thank you all.

I am devastated for what this means for my family.

But we have obeyed the rules since last March, and we will continue to do so now.

It's beyond frustrating that those who have never cared about the right thing to do will continue to do what they want, and have ruined it for everyone else.

Devastated?

That sounds more important than where you eat your Turkey.

If you explain your actual situation we might be able to help you. There are lots of exceptions depending on your situation.

Thanks Witches, it's nothing to do with where we eat our turkey, no.

We are in North London and were meant to be travelling to Ireland via Wales on Monday. Not even sure we will be allowed to board the ship at this stage.
There is a relative we will probably never see again as he is terminally ill and normally lives in Vancouver and will be returning home in January. I was just hoping to say my goodbyes in person.

We have been in strict isolation for 2 weeks in preparation and have taken private Covid tests.

I just don't know what to do really. I know it's not the end of the world but it's devastating for me personally.

It's a Stay At Home Order. It will be law either via Parliament or the covid emergency powers.

@Lurkingforawhile Yeah, I also feel sorry for the lawyers. It used to take 16 weeks to draft a fairly simple statutory instrument and the Word template was just bloody awful.

Since Parliament is not sitting, I don't see how Tier 4 etc. can be law.

We are subject to countless regulations made by government department through the medium of statutory instruments under the legal authority of governing statutes. They are absolutely the law despite the absence of Parliament.

We are wanting to travel 500 miles round trip on Xmas eve for a close family members funeral but not clear if this is allowed or not?!

Be careful, because for instance your car insurance will be invalid if you have an accident and it was not an essential journey.

Why would you just make this up? Honestly people are so stupid.

@MaryLeeOnHigh

It will be law shortly, and it will be fully enforceable.

Will it fuck

@Remmy123

The law?? What happens we get arrested 🤣🤣

Ask the guy who was jailed for four weeks after crossing the Irish Sea on a jet-ski to see his girlfriend:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dale-mclaughlan-covid-jet-ski-irish-sea-b1774099.html

*Ask the guy who was jailed for four weeks after crossing the Irish Sea on a jet-ski to see his girlfriend:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dale-mclaughlan-covid-jet-ski-irish-sea-b1774099.html*

Think that's just a tad different to popping round seeing your DM ...

@Lifeispassingby and @Minaun

the updated guidance for tier4 is clear that you are allowed to leave home for funerals (and stay overnight) and to visit dying relatives .
www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home#stay-at-home

If it were me I would still go ,while taking all precautions .

@Minaun

Thanks Witches, it's nothing to do with where we eat our turkey, no.

We are in North London and were meant to be travelling to Ireland via Wales on Monday. Not even sure we will be allowed to board the ship at this stage.
There is a relative we will probably never see again as he is terminally ill and normally lives in Vancouver and will be returning home in January. I was just hoping to say my goodbyes in person.

We have been in strict isolation for 2 weeks in preparation and have taken private Covid tests.

I just don't know what to do really. I know it's not the end of the world but it's devastating for me personally.

You have my sympathies.

We were due to travel to Ireland via Wales also just after Christmas. Looks like that’ll be out of the question with Wales being in tier 4 & Ireland about to announce another lockdown. We have family over there too.

Will it fuck

No, it doesn't fuck, it's a law not a reproducing organism.

@IrisAtwood, that happened in the Isle of Mann which has an entirely different set of restrictions, laws and legal system.

Boris said that the existing covid legislation covers the latest changes. It is law.