I'm fucking done

[Twizbe]

I'm done. We've been isolating ready to see my parents and now we can't.

This is the third time now we've had to cancel plans last min and I'm sick of it! Totally sick of it!

@BinkyBoinky

Go.

@user1488819536 No one knows whether you can/can't pass it on if you have already had it!!! Sorry!!

So Xmas day was going to involve visiting DF in his care home for 1st time since Aug. Then going to DM for lunch, me DH and DB. 10 mins drive from each other. Feel like Xmas plans in tatters. Part of me still thinks go. We've both been WFH for months, we go no where except the supermarket. I get what the officials are saying, I expect we won't go, we could just do with it. Such a bloody awful year not seeing DF.

@Chocolatte21

To whoever said that they thing people disobeying the rules will make this thing go on longer. WRONG. The more people comply the longer the restrictions will last. If people - in their masses - do not comply then the government will have to look at other options for dealing with this virus. The only reason they keep coming back to lockdowns is that it is STILL supported (even requested) overall with a majority of the population. Or at least they think it is because people are still complying with it.

What other option would they have to deal with the virus though?

@Chocolatte21

To whoever said that they thing people disobeying the rules will make this thing go on longer. WRONG. The more people comply the longer the restrictions will last. If people - in their masses - do not comply then the government will have to look at other options for dealing with this virus. The only reason they keep coming back to lockdowns is that it is STILL supported (even requested) overall with a majority of the population. Or at least they think it is because people are still complying with it.

Given that the government is investing in vaccines but they won't be rolled out immediately, and in the meantime hospitals are filling up and even tier 2 restrictions didn't make any meaningful difference, what 'other options' do you actually envision?

I think the response overall has been a shambles, but at the same time can't see a whole lot of 'other options' now unless it's just to make the over 80s die at home to keep beds open?

I really don't understand some people, I find it incredibly selfish and self centered of people not to follow the rules. We had already made the decision not to meet family members at Christmas, I'd rather miss one Christmas to be able to enjoy many more. Of course I will be upset not to see my parents this Xmas day ive spent the last 20 odd Christmas days with them, my ds is in tier 4 at uni and will be staying there for Xmas, we know its hard but its not worth the risk. I am astounded at how many selfish people dont care about others and plan to just carry on as normal.

The selfishness and immaturity on this thread is appalling. And the mental health card is not a excuse to do as you please . Am sick of it being rolled out, it’s an insult to those with genuine mental health problems . Feeling sad , disappointed, even sitting in tears because you can’t see love ones is not a mental health issue , unfortunately it’s just a part of life.
How do you think the mental health of those that have lost loved ones is.
Spare a thought for those that won’t be with their loved ones and Christmas because they have died.
I do think however that families who have a loved one who is terminally ill , or is so old it’s unlikely they will make it to next Christmas should have an exception if tier 4 , and also be able to stay overnight if in any tier.

• Of some on this thread I should have said.

@janetmendoza
That sounds terrible 😢. May I ask which hospital he works at pls. The hospital in my county had 2 deaths with a SARS Cov 2 positive result last week 😢

Yes those who break the rules are selfish and will help to make things worse in the long run

How long have people been saying that? It’s ridiculous to keep trotting out this narrative.

We all know by now that lockdowns are only effective in kicking cans down the road for a short period. They don’t ‘solve’ anything. We can follow every rule Boris lays down and this Hokey Cokey will continue. It doesn’t matter how ‘good’ we are.

The only way out is the vaccine, we’ll have to pray that it will be effective. But it will be months before it’s widespread enough to make a difference.

@Chocolatte21 Sorry, but are you mad? How many people will be dying while we don't follow the restrictions. But hopefully, this helps you be able to live with not complying with them. Sorry, but this makes me so angry.

We need to focus on how to roll out the vaccine quicker. Perhaps this will prevent another 6 months of pain. However, can't see us managing that!!!

@AldiAisleofCrap

The selfishness and immaturity on this thread is appalling. And the mental health card is not a excuse to do as you please . Am sick of it being rolled out, it’s an insult to those with genuine mental health problems . Feeling sad , disappointed, even sitting in tears because you can’t see love ones is not a mental health issue , unfortunately it’s just a part of life. How do you think the mental health of those that have lost loved ones is. Spare a thought for those that won’t be with their loved ones and Christmas because they have died. I do think however that families who have a loved one who is terminally ill , or is so old it’s unlikely they will make it to next Christmas should have an exception if tier 4 , and also be able to stay overnight if in any tier.

How the f do you know who is and isn't really suffering from Mh? You have noooo idea!!

I can bet my last £1 you were all over be kind when flack died...I'm seriously bored of all you Covid police on here get a life!

[quote DappledOliveGroves]@Nanny0gg my SIL is a consultant at a major Birmingham hospital. We ask who's dying and who's taking up the beds and her response is those predominantly in their 80s (this was the case a couple of weeks ago when we asked the question - haven't had any further updates).

Which begs the question why are they being admitted? It's ridiculous.[/quote]
I also know of a Sister in a stroke ward who is seeing much younger post-covid patients with strokes and heart attacks.

Covid isn't just killing people instantly

I’m quite doubtful that the vaccine will be effective on the new strand. I suspect that they don’t want to break that little nugget to the public yet (BJ used the wording ‘we have no reason to believe it won’t work on the new strain’ which isn’t super-reassuring given that flu vaccines have to be redeveloped annually).

Anyway, lockdowns (especially with major exceptions like allowing business travel abroad) are not effective unless it’s proposed that this is literally going to last until everyone is vaccinated. What they will do is cause massive economic problems from which recovery will take decades. We just had a lockdown and now the rates are at an all time high just a few weeks after it ended.

I think we will look back at this period as the time that we collectively lost our minds.

Tier 3. West Yorkshire. Still allowed 3 households mixing on Christmas Day. DD1 and I are each other's support bubble, and my teenage and primary aged DC are still allowed to see their dad as per the children of separated parents guidance. No rule breaking going on here.

But feel free to call people like me selfish without having a clue about me and mine.

You're probably right, @toocold54. But don't religions generally teach that you can worship your deity anywhere?

The government badly messed up the whole Xmas plans, as usual. It was the right decision to advocate personal responsibility. But they were too late with the advice about how families should reduce their risk I.e to reduce social contact 10 days prior to visiting elderly or vulnerable relatives (and allow and support parents to pull their children out of school and nursery to do
so).
Instead they have gone back to using enforcement measures. Just my opinion but in the long term I think that’s a mistake for a public health issue - people stop seeing the health reasons behind it.

I'm sick to fucking death of people not really bothering with restrictions. It's a couple of days FFS. Have a moan, a cry, then pull yourself together. There are people who will die as a result of their Christmas Day interactions. This isn't optional.

@Chocolatte21

To whoever said that they thing people disobeying the rules will make this thing go on longer. WRONG. The more people comply the longer the restrictions will last. If people - in their masses - do not comply then the government will have to look at other options for dealing with this virus. The only reason they keep coming back to lockdowns is that it is STILL supported (even requested) overall with a majority of the population. Or at least they think it is because people are still complying with it.

Are you actually mad? It’s a bloody virus. What magic tricks do you think the government have up their sleeve beside asking people to be sensible and trying to get a vaccine together? If you know a certain restaurant is giving people food poisoning, you stay away. We wash our hands after using the loo to prevent spread of bacteria. This is the same principle and it’s basic common sense.

And the dismissal of mental health impacts is horrible. The people I know who are the most militant about ‘sticking to the rules’ and judging others for not doing so do not live alone. Unless they have spent weeks in a flat with little to no contact with another human, they can seriously fuck off with their moralising of people who choose to see loved ones for the sake of their own mental health. They don’t have a clue what it’s like for many out there.

Just wanted to say I share your pain @twizbe. Dh and I live in Wales, family are in England. We usually see them every 4-6 weeks for the weekend and have I've seen them twice in 2020 for a few hours both times. This year has been really hard for me and dh for a variety of reasons, plus we have a 3 year old who misses his grandparents and cousins terribly and I'm pregnant with dc2 which we recently found out is a higher risk pregnancy. Dh and I both work for the NHS so have worked throughout the pandemic and have stuck to every rule since March. I had all of my mental wellbeing hopes pinned on being able to spend just 3 days with my parents and we've isolated for the laat two weeks to ensure we reduced the risk as much as possible. So to have it all pulled at the last minute feels intolerable and a real kick in the teeth. The government should never have given us the message that we could see family for Christmas and even just 48 hours ago Boris was saying publicly that he wouldn't be changing the relaxations only to then do it anyway. I hope you manage to find some joy on Christmas Day and that 2021 brings better times for us all.

[quote tigerbear]@Leanandmean31 agree with you regarding allowing collective worship - WTF??[/quote]
So will you follow the same rules when you see family at home as people who go to places of worship have to follow. For example: will you sit at least 2m from other households, wear a mask at all times, not really interact with them or chat? Not have a coffee and leave after an hour or less?

We are being made to go back into work and school next week - absolute madness! If we could isolate at home from yesterday we'd go to my parents feeling confident (single parent, 2 primary dc) but having to go in Monday and Tuesday ruins that for us. Can't take that risk. With all this going on it beggars belief that school goes on as normal.

@Mummywantsaweewee I'm sorry but there are a host of alternative options that we could have utilised much better if the government had acted swiftly.

Mass testing (meant to be happening last lockdown where has this been rolled out en mass?)

Quicker tests (again available government just don't want to pay they'd rather line their mates pockets at serco)

Better track and trace (as above serco shower of shite is purely in place because they have lined their mates pockets)

Anyone who believes this government is doing anything to benefit us are fools I've never seen anything be handled so poorly. For them to have the option to cancel Christmas bubbles a week ago and still not do it is a disgrace and people who have made plans, looked forward to it, spent money on food etc etc have a damn right to be pissed off!