Tier 4 - I cannot take this anymore!!!!

[nonono1]

My job is hanging by a thread due to Covid and if I lose that (which I almost certainly will) I will lose my home. Celebrating Christmas with my family was the ONE, the ONLY thing I’ve been looking forward to for weeks - it’s literally the only thing that’s kept me going. I feel sick to my stomach at the thought that this could be banned now too. I’m highly likely to lose my livelihood and my home and now I can’t see my family either. And for what - a virus with a death rate of about 0.1%. There’s no point going on any longer - I fucking give up and can’t stop crying.

@Funkypolar

I imagine the entire country will be in tier 4 come the 1st January.

Agreed

Lancashire has been in tier 3 for ages despite some areas having very low rates. I can't conjure sympathy for areas who didn't give a f about us.

I am sorry for children,families,all going through this.If a 5 year old is able to attend school,would school not offer some support?

@Umbridge34

It's called perspective. It's about changing the way you look at things and being grateful for what you have rather than what you don't!

By that token no one should ever feel sad or down or depressed about anything whatsoever.. because there is always someone worse off than you. Telling people to have some perspective when they're going through a tough time completely invalidates what they're feeling.

What a bizarre logic you've used there...!!!! I categorically never said nor meant that AT ALL!!

There's nothing wrong with choosing to be grateful for what you have when times are tough

Grow up!

Northerner here and we've been in T3 despite having very low case rates, but I'm not bitter and I'm not happy that people in the South have had their Christmas cancelled. I think it's incredibly cruel. Boris should have told everyone Christmas was cancelled weeks ago instead of raising false hope and having separate rules for separate areas of England. Instead he could have promised to give us all a couple of days holiday in the summer to celebrate a belated Christmas then.

Another northerner. I'm devastated for you op and everyone else who is now having to consider whether to change their Christmas plans.

I don't want to see anyone suffering because of lockdowns.

Agree with @splishsplashsploosh. I take no joy in southerners being in stricter measures and having these last minute changes it’s awful. People are on the brink and this will push them over. I do hope however it may change the narrative of naughty northerners getting locked down because they wont follow the rules. the reason/excuse this time is that the virus has mutated but ultimately a virus will thrive in a heavily populated area so cities are bound to be hotspots.

@KittyMcKitty

We’re tier 4 it’s just dire! We live right on the county border with another county which is tier 2 - locally the tier 2 town has a higher rate of infection then us.

Will it ever end?

We are the same. Walk 15mins up the road into tier 2 with much higher rates than us in tier 4.

It shows the tiers really don't make sense , we were tier 1 before lockdown , after lockdown jumped to tier 2 , was half expecting to go to tier 3 as cases going up but stayed tier 2, but guess this can change any day now .
Some towns in north seem to if been tier 3 for ages despite numbers going down , can't help but think london should of been tier 3 from straight after lockdown and then maybe we wouldn't be in this position now

@notevenat20

What the HELL was the point of that last (extremely damaging financially) lockdown when we’re now facing MORE restrictions?!?!

It seems the new virus is too infectious for tier 3 restrictions to be enough :(

It’s spreading in an area that didn’t have Tier 3 restrictions until about four days ago. And not in areas that have had Tier 3 or similar for 6 months.

The tiers aren't just decided on case numbers alone though.
It's about case numbers and NHS bed availability in areas.
So sorry for all those staring in the face of job losses, struggling children and general deteriorating mental health.

@80sColourfulChristmas You made some good points, but sometimes people just want to vent, rather than being told that previous generations went through worse things, for longer (even if it's true).

I think the Tier system is not just about infection rates and case numbers, it's about how much hospital capacity an area has remaining. If hospitals in an area are full then that is reason enough to move up to tier 3 or 4.

It's all very depressing, but as the vaccine is rolled out to thousands of people in the coming weeks, more families will have the comfort that their elderly/vulnerable loved ones have protection, so it will become safer to mix households at that point. It is hard, but foregoing a family celebration in December will be worth it, if people can then enjoy time together in spring and summer... just imagine sitting in the sunshine, looking at the spring flowers, chatting and making plans for a summer holiday.

It's just awful OP. I want to see the 'science' on the impact of unemployment, poverty, depression, suicide, domestic violence, loneliness....

Me too - but Covid is all that matters now.

Then as if that wasn't hard enough, from 1940 right up to 1954 (almost 9 years after the war ended!), food, fat & sugar rationing (as well as clothes rationing and even fuel rationing) made Christmas unbelievably tough and often tasteless for everyone. Gifts they could buy for their kids for Christmas were rarer than hand gel was in March!

I’d rather see my family with crap food and no gifts than what we’re now facing. Every single time.

@Whattheactual20201 and @yahyahs22 so sorry to hear what you’re both going through. Sending

But it isn’t about the death rate of 0.1% it is about the impact on the NHS and the ability for it to continue acute treatment

That old chestnut - sick of hearing it. I know several people who’ve been in hospital this year for other matters (not Covid) and they’ve all said that the hospitals were extremely quiet.

@nonono1

It's just awful OP. I want to see the 'science' on the impact of unemployment, poverty, depression, suicide, domestic violence, loneliness....

Me too - but Covid is all that matters now.

Then as if that wasn't hard enough, from 1940 right up to 1954 (almost 9 years after the war ended!), food, fat & sugar rationing (as well as clothes rationing and even fuel rationing) made Christmas unbelievably tough and often tasteless for everyone. Gifts they could buy for their kids for Christmas were rarer than hand gel was in March!

I’d rather see my family with crap food and no gifts than what we’re now facing. Every single time.

Covid is the primary concern because from current rates of growth they can predict a point at which the healthcare services will be overwhelmed.

Nobody wants a situation where people die of illnesses and injuries in the back of ambulances because they're queuing outside hospitals waiting for staff to transfer them.

I'm struggling myself and am not unsympathetic, but everyone's mental health would be worse if we reached that tipping point.

@splishsplashsploosh

Northerner here and we've been in T3 despite having very low case rates, but I'm not bitter and I'm not happy that people in the South have had their Christmas cancelled. I think it's incredibly cruel. Boris should have told everyone Christmas was cancelled weeks ago instead of raising false hope and having separate rules for separate areas of England. Instead he could have promised to give us all a couple of days holiday in the summer to celebrate a belated Christmas then.

This ^

It is the false hope and the lack of clear guidance that makes everything so very difficult.

It’s been a really shit for me too and I feel at any moment I’m just going to burst into tears.

After loosing someone extremely close this year I never thought I’d ever want to celebrate Xmas again. Somehow going to my DP and his family (they’re all lovely) for somewhat of a normal day was like a lighthouse. It pushed me to go Xmas shopping (on a shoestring of being on a zero hour contact), start to listen to Xmas music again, excited counting parts of a board game to make sure we had all the parts.

Now I’m waking up alone as his family is in another tier and while he’s able to happily break the rules (as he says his car is registered there) I just can’t. I’ll be home alone in the house that last year myself and my darling family member celebrated in.

I’m going to the supermarket to buy a bog standard meal as to be honest I can’t afford much more after budgeting his family a few nice gifts to thank them for hosting me.

I just wished I was one of those inconsiderable arses who didn’t give a shit about society and just put myself forward but I’m not.

Christmas - I'm so sorry. It's awful for you. Would your DP not consider staying ar home with you (I know he's missed his family, but even so)

I know exactly what you mean about grasping that tiny sherd of normalcy - and then having it snatched away.

Johnson was indescribably heartless to do this. I'm not sure it will make any difference, either, when you look at the number of selfish *rseholses who scrambled to get out of London before the midnight deadline, carrying their New Improved Covid with them.

Try to keep optimistic - I wouldn't be surprised if there's a thread or two on here with people in a similar position posting for company.

[hugs]

My initial post came across really badly and I'm sorry. I don't take any pleasure in anyone being in T4 and I'm so sorry for the suffering people are experiencing, wherever they are.