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I almost can’t stand it. What the hell will they be announcing now?

In tier 4 now and plans scuppered...booked flights to Scotland few weeks ago when they lifted the restrictions. Am right in thinking now you cannot travel? Not seen family all year 😥...got my hopes up

Well that's shit - but thank God he has done it. I know lots of people will break the rules anyway, but I was dreading the fall out of households mixing.

This is utterly, utterly miserable, but it had to be done.

So if you are in a support bubble and meet Christmas day . Is that still counting as one household?
And can therefore have one other household join you?

@vjg13

It seemed like all the information on the new variant was to muddy the waters and scare people into behaving. I do think it is the right decision though.

The amount of cognitive dissonance in that statement is staggering.

@FlappingPancakes however yours is step kids. Sorry pressed return beforehand. So I'm sure step kids are exempt?

I'm so confused as to what's allowed for my situation.

Me, DH and 2 kids have rented a holiday cottage nearby to my Addis's family (4 adults) so that we didn't have to stay in their house. We were going to see them but not have dinner together. We booked within the travel window.

Dsis is in Wales, I'm in Tier 2 England.

Can I still travel to the cottage? We're in the car. Taking food for ourselves etc,

Your support bubble still counts as one household yes

Sorry Addis (?). Meant to say Dsis.

Oh that's a relief. Thanks.

@FlappingPancakes

Do we know if we can still see step kids in tier4 if they are in another tier?

I think it depends on their age. So if children not adults I think it’s allowed? It was in the main lockdown wasnt it? Even when everyone was told to stay at home? Hopefully they clarify stuff like this.

@PatsArrow

I'm so confused as to what's allowed for my situation.

Me, DH and 2 kids have rented a holiday cottage nearby to my Addis's family (4 adults) so that we didn't have to stay in their house. We were going to see them but not have dinner together. We booked within the travel window.

Dsis is in Wales, I'm in Tier 2 England.

Can I still travel to the cottage? We're in the car. Taking food for ourselves etc,

BJ did say all tiers must stay local... but I have to say I’m confused too

Yes that’s what I meant - less dangerous. So more contagious but less dangerous would be good

BinkyBoinky it looks like its going to work out for you and your mum. I think I can travel NE to NW on Christmas Day to care for my mum too, but sadly Boxing Day plans are now ripped up. Relative in The Netherlands looks to be spending an isolated Christmas too. Its very sad, Im in tears...

Ignore that Wales is having Christmas Day mixing only too

@RoseMartha

So if you are in a support bubble and meet Christmas day . Is that still counting as one household? And can therefore have one other household join you?

It depends on where you live. No one in tier 4 can meet anyone other than their support bubble or children in another household.

For other tiers up to 3 households can meet. A support bubble still counts as one household.

Caveat - just because you can, doesn’t mean you should (Chris Whitty)

What's not clear about NOT being allowed to move between tiers? Of course you can travel from tier 2 England to tier 4 Wales!

@ilovebrie8

In tier 4 now and plans scuppered...booked flights to Scotland few weeks ago when they lifted the restrictions. Am right in thinking now you cannot travel? Not seen family all year 😥...got my hopes up

Can't leave a tier 4 area, sorry.

This shit is giving me the rage. What a bunch of cunts.

Having looked at gov.co.uk there actually isn't a Tier 4. So they're just made it up in the last 5 mins. ....

Motherfuckers.

CAN'T

@PatsArrow

I'm so confused as to what's allowed for my situation.

Me, DH and 2 kids have rented a holiday cottage nearby to my Addis's family (4 adults) so that we didn't have to stay in their house. We were going to see them but not have dinner together. We booked within the travel window.

Dsis is in Wales, I'm in Tier 2 England.

Can I still travel to the cottage? We're in the car. Taking food for ourselves etc,

Possibly not

Wales has just announced a new lockdown beginning midnight tonight, and that Christmas mixing is one day only

You'll need to check exactly what the Welsh lockdown involves

That was thoroughly depressing. But it must be really bad for Johnson to do this much - he never goes as far as he should so these measures, at my guess, are still less than really needed .

When tier 3 had the strictest conditions it did leave it open to add extra tiers.

@PatsArrow no Boris said not to travel and to stay local.

For all those complaining about the new rules- why are you surprised? Why did you plan a big family gathering (even if it was with 3 households and was ‘allowed’)? We’re in the middle of a pandemic and the common sense approach was always to make Christmas as quiet and simple as possible. I have no sympathy for those that were planning a get together with several others even if this was family. It’s just daft.

We are in a low risk area (at the moment) but made the difficult decision not to travel to see elderly parents in law or my brothers weeks ago. Its always been about minimising risk where possible.