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When is the tiers announcement due today?

108 replies

DownRightAmazing · 17/12/2020 10:31

Anyone know? All I can find is Matt Hancock to announce 'later'.

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Alwaysandforeverhere · 17/12/2020 12:34

Gone up to tier 3. Like it matters nobody’s listening anyway. I can stand next to school parents shoulder to shoulder but can’t eat out or sit in a family members garden. My secondary aged child can mix with 100’s of children a day and that’s cool. Silly.

chloworm · 17/12/2020 12:37

@Broceliande

West Yorkshire is below the national average and has for some time now been well below the area of London where my in-laws live. Our cases have been steadily falling while theirs rise Angry

Where is this BBC news story about hospitals being less busy than the same time last year? Surely that can't be right. It would be such a headfuck if it was true!

It's true! On BBC website now
DownRightAmazing · 17/12/2020 12:37

As expected we are tier 3 now. I'm sorry for everyone who is upset but cases are rising in my area (Bucks) and I do think it's for the best.

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SATSmadness · 17/12/2020 12:38

Saying "the Tier system is not working" doesn't get to the root of the problem. No matter which Tier they are in, too many people are bending the rules regarding meeting up with others when it's non essential.

It's too easy to say "but my/my friend's/my relatives' mental health is suffering, it's essential that we meet up" or "this is a business meeting so it's allowed" when really the strong desire to see others face to face or the chance to meet up and have a nice meal and chat is the real reason so rules are being bent with lack of consideration as to the consequences.

People are extending bubbles/bending/misinterpreting bubble rules.

We probably all know people that are doing this sort of thing, celebrities think that they can get away with it too, setting a bad example.

In the meantime let's blame schools, one of the essential services, instead of looking at what the parents are doing to minimise the risk that if Covid is brought into their home by their school children they are not risking spreading it to family & friends.

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2020 12:39

@Broceliande

West Yorkshire is below the national average and has for some time now been well below the area of London where my in-laws live. Our cases have been steadily falling while theirs rise Angry

Where is this BBC news story about hospitals being less busy than the same time last year? Surely that can't be right. It would be such a headfuck if it was true!

The trouble is the national average is at a level which is problematic. Being below the average isn't necessary being in a good state of affairs.
Gemma888 · 17/12/2020 12:39

@Alwaysandforeverhere

Gone up to tier 3. Like it matters nobody’s listening anyway. I can stand next to school parents shoulder to shoulder but can’t eat out or sit in a family members garden. My secondary aged child can mix with 100’s of children a day and that’s cool. Silly.
You shouldn’t be standing shoulder to shoulder. All of the situations you describe are enabling children to be educated which is essential, and why it is different.
chloworm · 17/12/2020 12:39

Do you remember a couple of years ago awful footage of poor old people waiting in hospital corridors on trolleys? Hospitals are always packed in Winter. NHS critically underfunded and poorly run (not by the actual frontline staff) for years.

userxx · 17/12/2020 12:40

Gone up to tier 3 - gutted

Welcome to the club, once you're in you never leave.

What a fucking joke this whole thing is.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 17/12/2020 12:40

From the BBC

11:21
English hospitals emptier than this time last year

Nick Triggle
Health Correspondent
The latest hospital occupancy data has been published in England. It shows in the week ending 13 December, 89% of beds were occupied, leaving 10,500 empty beds.

That means hospitals were actually busier this time last year, when 95% of beds were occupied.

Ideally hospitals would operate at only 85% capacity, so the right beds are available when patients need them, but in recent years it has been consistently above that level.

Hospitals are also having to cope with fewer beds this year.

They have just over 89,000 beds in total – down 8,000 on last year, reflecting the fact infection control and social distancing have meant some beds have been taken out of the system.

The national figure does mask some real hotspots in some areas where hospitals are close to being full.

But it does show there is some wriggle room overall. What we don’t know is at what cost this has come.

Non-Covid care, such as routine operations, are likely to be getting increasingly cancelled as the number of Covid patients increases.

Honeyroar · 17/12/2020 12:40

Of course it’s not going to work. It’s just to slow it down. Everyone rushing out to restaurants is certainly not going to work better. I think they’d have put people down into tier two IF IT HADN’T BEEN XMAS, but they know everyone will go festive crazy if they relax things now. I’m surprised they lowered anywhere personally.

And that’s from someone in tier 3 who’s furloughed on a minimum wage part time job in hospitality who has already lost a long standing job in aviation this year! I know very well how crap it all is. But life’s like that sometimes.

Lightningrain · 17/12/2020 12:41

There’s no chance they would consider dropping many areas into Tier 2 before Christmas with the expectation that cases will go up in January after the Christmas mixing.

I feel so sorry for all of the hospitality businesses but what other option is there? They can’t run the risk of cases skyrocketing again now that the vaccine programme is underway.

Hopefully there will be sufficient numbers vaccinated in the next couple of months to gain some semblance of normality back.

SantasBritchesSpelleas · 17/12/2020 12:42

@userxx

Gone up to tier 3 - gutted

Welcome to the club, once you're in you never leave.

What a fucking joke this whole thing is.

Yep. They might as well rename Tier 3 'Hotel California'.
MummaBear4321 · 17/12/2020 12:42

@speakout

I am sick of it all.

I live in an area that has been on tier 3 for 11 weeks, and covid numbers here have gone up by 50% in the past 7 days.

It isn't working.

This! I do wonder why people still peddle the 'just follow the rules and people wont die' bull when clearly the rules dont work. How many months of tier 3 and steadily rising deaths does one area need to be in before the government start admitting that it's doing nothing except trashing the economy and peoples livelihoods? I am getting so sick of the insistence that this is all fixable by keeping restaurants and shops shut. People are losing their businesses en masse just because the government want to be seen as doing something.
Alwaysandforeverhere · 17/12/2020 12:48

I understand the need for schools to be open I really do. But schools haven’t been made safer at all really for the Teachers, students or parents and that’s what annoys me about it all.

There is no room to not be shoulder to shoulder in the primary playground there is 5 minutes between each year groups pick up time sometimes the year before hasn’t even opened its door before the next group is called into the playground.

SueEllenMishke · 17/12/2020 12:48

@Lightningrain

There’s no chance they would consider dropping many areas into Tier 2 before Christmas with the expectation that cases will go up in January after the Christmas mixing.

I feel so sorry for all of the hospitality businesses but what other option is there? They can’t run the risk of cases skyrocketing again now that the vaccine programme is underway.

Hopefully there will be sufficient numbers vaccinated in the next couple of months to gain some semblance of normality back.

Then they should have made this clear...rather than give people hope. I live in an area that has been in additional restrictions since July. Our cases have dropped dramatically to the extent that businesses were making plans to reopen - tier 2 seemed like the obvious move.

But no.....goalposts moved again with no explanation. Disgraceful.

Kazmerelda · 17/12/2020 12:49

@Delatron I am in no way blaming hospitality for the rises as it's a number of factors but... on Sunday I went to a cafe that had a covered over outside area. They had 4 tables of 6 people max on each one that was technically all one party.

And the venue knew this.

So this was a min of 4 households mixing and whilst technically it was outside...it was enclosed with clear flaps down and a marquee roof on it. Was it 4 households though?

Venues can't police this, unless they address ID each person.

Lightningrain · 17/12/2020 12:50

@Broceliande

West Yorkshire is below the national average and has for some time now been well below the area of London where my in-laws live. Our cases have been steadily falling while theirs rise Angry

Where is this BBC news story about hospitals being less busy than the same time last year? Surely that can't be right. It would be such a headfuck if it was true!

If you read the article it states that the occupancy rate of beds is still above the ideal capacity and has been for a number of years. The NHS has been massively overstretched for so long now, people think it’s normal. Nobody should have to wait 6 hours in A&E or be left in corridors as there’s no space on a ward.

If you also consider the fact that COVID patients need to be isolated, therefore taking up entire wards, with a high proportion of ICU beds also being occupied by COVID patients, it does indicate that many hospitals will struggle to cope with an increase in numbers. I’m sure there are no frontline NHS staff that would say that there is plenty of capacity and there’s no need to worry.

DuncinToffee · 17/12/2020 12:50

Not sure wether to laugh or cry

twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1339525764560134145?s=21

MaudesMum · 17/12/2020 12:53

Seems a bit unfair for Dorset - ONS figures seem to show it being lower than Herefordshire, but it stays in Tier 2.

BamboozledandBefuddled · 17/12/2020 12:55

[quote DuncinToffee]Not sure wether to laugh or cry

twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1339525764560134145?s=21[/quote]
I'm on the verge of tears - it's too close to the truth to be funny.

cathyandclare · 17/12/2020 12:57

[quote DuncinToffee]Not sure wether to laugh or cry

twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1339525764560134145?s=21[/quote]
Bit of both after that!

userxx · 17/12/2020 12:57

As expected we are tier 3 now. I'm sorry for everyone who is upset but cases are rising in my area (Bucks) and I do think it's for the best.

Do come back and tell me how you feel about it in May. See what 5 fucking months of living like a fucking hermit does to your head because I'll be honest, I'm ready to blow.

DuncinToffee · 17/12/2020 13:00

BamboozledandBefuddled

Flowers
TicTacTwo · 17/12/2020 13:00

Are English hospitals less busy because they aren't treating a lot of people with other conditions like cancer?
How quickly can Noghtingales be "switched on"?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 17/12/2020 13:04

@Lightningrain

There’s no chance they would consider dropping many areas into Tier 2 before Christmas with the expectation that cases will go up in January after the Christmas mixing.

I feel so sorry for all of the hospitality businesses but what other option is there? They can’t run the risk of cases skyrocketing again now that the vaccine programme is underway.

Hopefully there will be sufficient numbers vaccinated in the next couple of months to gain some semblance of normality back.

But for a government that claims to following ‘the science’ they are destroying the entire hospitality and entertainment industries without any evidence
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