End of the Pub

[ElephantWhaleRabbit]

With the pub industry set to lose £650 million in December alone, when many venues make a quarter of their annual turnover, this pretty much looks like the end of the pub, particularly smaller independent venues. A significant part of our culture and history swept away, although I’m sure property developers will be happy.......

Five pubs in your village? You are lucky!

I had a good laugh at “nobody goes to pubs any more and I never go into them because they are too crowded”.

@Iamthewombat

Five pubs in your village? You are lucky!

Big village iamwombat

😀

The village I grew up in has three pubs and two working men’s clubs, all busy. One is a chain pub type place, family friendly. The other two are wet-led “drinkers” pubs, one of which is owned by a local landowner and run to break even - he bought it solely to stop developers buying the land next to his.

Ooh didn’t remember the working mans club

I don’t think they serve food

Theres a bar at the sailing club as well

Bugger how many drinking establishments do we actually have here!?!

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Ooh didn’t remember the working mans club

I don’t think they serve food

Theres a bar at the sailing club as well

Bugger how many drinking establishments do we actually have here!?!

A lot of these pubs are male dominated spaces and struggle from their lack of inclusivity. Change or die.

I had a good laugh at “nobody goes to pubs any more and I never go into them because they are too crowded
Someone also posted that they didnt go in their local pubs because they were 'drinkers pubs'. Have to laugh. I mean, who would have thought that some people go to a pub to drink

The sailing club will be ok

Very very family friendly

Working mans club less so, but ive only been to parties there

Shit!!! Snooker hall has a bar and party room, forgot that one as well

Im stopping counting

@XiCi

I had a good laugh at “nobody goes to pubs any more and I never go into them because they are too crowded Someone also posted that they didnt go in their local pubs because they were 'drinkers pubs'. Have to laugh. I mean, who would have thought that some people go to a pub to drink

And this is exactly what I mean about the 'I don't use pubs therefore fuck pubs' attitude on MN during Covid. I just don't get it, there are lots of businesses I personally don't use (some of which - e.g. beauty salons - lots of other MNers do) but I don't assume that they're therefore a useless part of the economy that should just be killed off...

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Ooh didn’t remember the working mans club

I don’t think they serve food

Theres a bar at the sailing club as well

Bugger how many drinking establishments do we actually have here!?!

I am trying to add up the number of drinking establishments in my area.

I have worked out we have a rate of 160 per 100,000. Thats higher than our rate of coronavirus.

Clearly a bunch of right pissheads live here and you are more like to bump into a bar than someone with covid.

i have worked out we have a rate of 160 per 100,000. Thats higher than our rate of coronavirus

Blimey wonder what ours is...

So ive got 7 drinking establishments for 15,000 people

Lord knows what would happen if i put the nearest towns and villages in

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

i have worked out we have a rate of 160 per 100,000. Thats higher than our rate of coronavirus

Blimey wonder what ours is...

So ive got 7 drinking establishments for 15,000 people

Lord knows what would happen if i put the nearest towns and villages in

Rate of 47 per 100,000. I believe.

Well thats bad 😀

@user1471562688

I agree. The destruction of society and humanity marches on. It will end up with no-one moving out of their boxes and "living" through a screen. No shops, no schools, no hospitality such as pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants, no entertainment, no music, no concerts. No joy, no life, no living, no singing, no laughing no fun.

No wonder the suicide rate is going up.

And No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

Are you actually serious? Do you honestly believe this? That people will happily stay at home 24/7 never seeing anyone or doing anything? What exactly makes you think this is how it will end up? I and many others are desperate for life to get back to normal and will be heading to concerts, the theatre and other entertainment just as soon as we are allowed. I'm already going to cafes and restaurants and pubs within the rules.

And this is exactly what I mean about the 'I don't use pubs therefore fuck pubs' attitude on MN during Covid. I just don't get it, there are lots of businesses I personally don't use (some of which - e.g. beauty salons - lots of other MNers do) but I don't assume that they're therefore a useless part of the economy that should just be killed off...

Whole-heartedly agree. I don’t watch live sports: close every stadium and football ground! I don’t have school-aged kids: close the schools! Etc.

Doesn't look like the majority care much about pubs anyway.

@BlueBrian

Doesn't look like the majority care much about pubs anyway.

If you take into account the number of people who voted at the referendum. 28% of people who really miss the pub is probably equivalent to the number of people who still really strongly feel we should leave the EU.

If you want some context on numbers....

Apart from the very wide category of 'seeing family and friends' I'd be interested to know what category of leisure activity would have more than 28% of people who miss it/would like to participate?

@BlueBrian

Doesn't look like the majority care much about pubs anyway.

Pubs are a niche interest nowadays. You get your regulars (who will still be in pubs now in tier 2) and those who go now and again.

i'm sure there'll be plenty of on here celebrating the latest unemployment figures:

There were 819,000 fewer workers on UK company payrolls in November than at the start of the pandemic, official figures show.

Hospitality was the worst hit sector, accounting for a third of the job losses, followed by retail, according to the Office for National Statistics.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55313752

The unemployment rate rose to 4.9% in the three months to October, with the jobless total up to 1.7 million people.

Redundancies hit a record high over the period.

300,000 job losses in the hospitality sector since the beginning of the pandemic

RichardMarxisinnocent

Well, it's what I'm seeing.
Schools all geared up for "virtual learning" zoom lessons, on-line lessons, blended learning or whatever they call it.
The High Street is on it's last legs - everyone moving to on-line shopping and stores being mothballed.
Everyone home-working so city centres are now empty and with shops shutting also this has a knock on effect on cafes, restaurants bars etc.
Youngsters no longer "do" pubs/drink alcohol according to this thread and with the way the government has decimated the industry most won't survive.
People gleefully saying how "they don't have to move out of the comfort of their living room" as they can do everything on-line.
Young people constantly attached to a screen to live their lives.
And as for concerts/live music - don't make me laugh. This hysteria has created a nation of germophobes terrified to even look at another human being let alone be in close proximity.

So yes, I can believe it as it is what is happening.

@user1471562688

RichardMarxisinnocent

Well, it's what I'm seeing.
Schools all geared up for "virtual learning" zoom lessons, on-line lessons, blended learning or whatever they call it.
The High Street is on it's last legs - everyone moving to on-line shopping and stores being mothballed.
Everyone home-working so city centres are now empty and with shops shutting also this has a knock on effect on cafes, restaurants bars etc.
Youngsters no longer "do" pubs/drink alcohol according to this thread and with the way the government has decimated the industry most won't survive.
People gleefully saying how "they don't have to move out of the comfort of their living room" as they can do everything on-line.
Young people constantly attached to a screen to live their lives.
And as for concerts/live music - don't make me laugh. This hysteria has created a nation of germophobes terrified to even look at another human being let alone be in close proximity.

So yes, I can believe it as it is what is happening.

Well it certainly isn't what I and everyone I know is doing or wanting to happen. The children I know are still going to school in person. I and most of my friends prefer to shop in actual shops for most things. And I and plenty of people I know are desperate to be able to get back to going to concerts and live music. I'm not wfh and neither are many others. I work with a lot of under 30s(I would class that as young) and they all very much like going to pubs and clubs and drinking.

I am absolutely not in a million years ever going to be happy with just sitting in my lounge doing everything online and neither are my friends, family and colleagues.

People who post on mumsnet are only a small selection of society and are quite possibly more likely to be the type of people who are happy sitting at home behind a screen (given that this is an online forum which they like spending time on). Meanwhile in the real world everyone I know is completely fed up with not being about to do things and is absolutely desperate for their normal lives back.

Pubs are great and I'd love to wander down to my local and have a drink, or get my housemates together for a pub quiz. I would hate to see them go.

That said, they've been in decline for a long, long time. The increase in home entertainment, the reduction in tight-knit locally-working communities (be they towns or cities all working in the same factory / mine / shipyard or all the villagers working on the same farms), the increased awareness of health issues and the increase in prices together with a decrease in disposable income means that old fashioned proper pubs are increasingly anachronistic.

100 years ago there were six pubs in my village, now there are two.

This pandemic is just another bump in the road.

If there is a demand for them, they will come back.

The stuff I'm seeing and hearing is a huge amount of bottled up frustration and indeed anger at being caged up.

The homeworker I know are all going, quite literally, crazy. Even the most covid adverse are now desparate to get back in the office.

The kids and teenagers have far too much energy and want to 'do stuff' (by that see friends, go out, just anywhere but home really).

Those 'T3 lifers' are feeling it particularly badly.

Everyone wants to 'go out out'. And the idea of 'having something to look forward to' apart from work/school/home is a distance fantasy they all want.

As I say there is a hell of a lot of pent up demand there. Its going to feed something...

@RedToothBrush I’m actually glad to hear that.

It’s time this stopped.