Has Boris got the balls to cancel Xmas for London?

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Obviously the answer is no, but the huge increase in cases in London should tell anyone it's not a good idea for Xmas mixing. How high will the rates go before he has to step in?

I think rather than cancel Xmas for the worst hit areas the only thing he would do is cancel Xmas mixing for everyone and do a complete u turn rather than single London out.
If however the North west still had high rates he would have no hesitation In stopping the north west mixing at Xmas but allowed other areas to mix.

There is nothing to stop people staying away from others at Christmas, apart from their own foolishness.

Everyone has a choice.

We are not mixing as a 3 x household (permitted) gathering as we feel it's too dangerous.

Christmas bubbles are fine if people are able to isolate beforehand for ten days - can just about squeeze 9 days after school break up if the bubble meets on 27th not25th, that’s my plan anyways, others are taking kids out early to do the ten days by 25th. I would have thought giving this clear advice would be the best plan because people will meet anyway .

People have to take a bit of personal responsibility, I think.
You don't have to go shopping because they are open.
You don't have to go and meet six people for lunch just because you can.
You don't have to mix households for Christmas.
(all general you, not you specifically OP!)

The government can only do so much. The rest is down to people using their loaves and realising there's a pandemic on.

I doubt it... now if it were the North I think it would be a very different story.

Boris is

Hohoho

Wait til Christmas is cancelled due to haulage and delivery problems.

Hohoho

MMMMMEERRRRYYY christmas

Make sure you save your turkey leftovers.

Huge increase in cases for London?
Truth, or another scribbling in the sexed-up dodgy dossier doomsday (sic) book of government-manipulated figures?

The saying "80% of statistics are made up on the spot" exists for a reason. Perhaps 99.9% in the case of government.

Next slide, please.

Cancelling Christmas just means a huge number will ignore the ban. Better to let them play and lockdown after.

Sturgeon has hedged her bets - mingle at Christmas but New Year is banned.

What about the other religions festivals that’s were cancelled the night before

What they did with Eid was disgusting. Many on another thread said they wouldnt do this re, Christmas. I disagreed and said they would.
In the end what they have done is worse. Lifted the restrictions for Christmas BUT then subjected us to weeks of guilt tripping and emotional blackmail to try and discourage us from doing so.

Meanwhile Kay Burley is suspended on six months full pay. Wigan man got fined £200 for having a cup of tea in a mates house. Im done.

It’s frustrating we are in the NW and still haven’t got the mass asymptomatic testing and none of our major city hospitals are covid vaccine hubs in the first rollout. Where’s virtually all London hospitals are and secondary schools are getting mass testing. The north will stop complying if he isn’t careful. We are following the rules but come spring if the elderly are vaccinated I’m seeing my family. I’ve had enough and most people I know are starting to give up.

The sad fact is, there will be grandparents dying in January because they saw their families this Christmas. It won't happen to most families, but will certainly happen to quite a few.

I'll be very surprised if we don't have another lockdown in the new year. The case numbers are too high for this to go away naturally, or purely by people behaving themselves. Give it 2-4 months, when all the oldies have been vaccinated, and they'll let the rest of us have mild cases (hopefully) and things can return to normal.

For me, I'm hoping for a bigger and better family celebration at Easter. Seems more realistic than 2 weeks today, when we're in so much shit right now.

Nap queen, I’m in the north too. Lot of anger on local fb groups about mass testing for southern schools.

Our local mayor has said we will remain in Tier 3 even though cases are coming down. No school testing here, or anywhere in Tier 3.

Only London counts.

He won't renege on the Xmas mingling then we will be locked down in January. And it will be our own fault for mingling.

YY @FrangipaniBlue Christmas lockdown by stealth.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow it’s maddening isn’t it. I’m a southerner and always thought the north were just making a fuss. Nope turns out they’re treated appallingly.

Im only going to one other household A 25 min walk up the road. There will be 6 of us at the very most.

I'm in the north and it feels like they've just locked us down and forgotten about us. Clearly Boris decided only the south deserved its freedoms restored. It's been pretty much constant since March and we're getting a bit pissed off up here.

So much for levelling up!

A lot of the north is still solid Labour despite the red wall. They really hate Boris, and now they hate him even more!

I think it’s disgusting that children are being put in this situation. Schools should have opened safely rather than herding them all back in. And now it has become akin to heresy discussing any sort of rota system.

I have been following the rules and I will be mixing at xmas as allowed
Going to my parents 5 mins up the road
They are in their 60's but my mum still has to go to work as pension ages moved up so she said she is at risk everyday
Taking my youngest out school few days before they break up to have a slighly longer isolation, oldest ds college is finished
My parents want us , mentally my mum needs us to go
My nan in her 80's will be going to my aunties as who knows if this is her last and she doesn't want to sit at home on her own
No one says you have to mix and if you belive mn hardly anyone is although in real life im not seeing this
Most people i know mixing with older relatives are already bubbled or looking after them anyway
Generally the ones I know are mixing with younger parents or siblings
You can't compare xmas to other festivals in a country that well over 90% celebrate
Maybe schools being closed means it will level out , who knows
I don't think will be another lovkdown as such either just more moving into tier 3 which is almost same as last lockdown we had

What about the other religions festivals that’s were cancelled the night before?

Yes it was an inconvenience and a weird Eid as I've never known anyone to celebrate it just with immediate family before but it did mean that vulnerable relatives were kept safe. DM sent us all hampers from a restaurant so technically 'she fed us' and we did 4 way video calls so just made the best of it. You have to ask yourself, is it worth the risk just for one day in the year? Especially seeing that some kind of normality (hopefully) isn't too far away in the future.

Sometimes we need to take responsibility ourselves if you don't think we should follow boris rules and things should be tighter then self impose - we are staying home, not mixing and actually I am looking forward to it. There are just the three of us, DD has Mocks as soon as she is back and we are hunkering down and bloody looking forward to it even if it is a kind of self imposed lockdown. We have had a crap year losing my Mother and his Mother, not seeing my Dad for a very long stretch when we know he is terminal, literally no help from Gov for DH as self employed and co director and entitled to nothing for either - I just about got furlough but on a low wage as also a director and it was done for other purposes (Thank God we did as otherwise I wld have been nothing as well) so yes I want to shut the world out eat drink and be merry, play daft games watch too much ty and walk the dog

...on the other hand, for two weeks, kids won't be in school.
It's schools that are causing the spread at the moment. So kids will be with two other households (potentially) instead of in classes of 30 and bubbles of hundreds.

Also some for some our
Mh is more of a risk to us than covid

I am in London, we will be at home and seeing no one for Xmas.
But I know of quite a few Londoners who are planning to travel at Xmas to areas with lower rates including some of the rare tier one areas. So they will possibly be taking a bit of London’s covid surge with them.

It’s sad too because officials are basically out begging people to be a bit more careful because otherwise steps will be taken that will devastate businesses and make things harder for everyone, but they are clearly not listening and don’t care.

Well, I’ll be ignoring any no mixing rules over Christmas. I’ve been playing ball so far, as have my family. I’ve hardly left the house since lockdown started (we all are retired or wfh). So screw it, we’ll be having a nice family Christmas together. It’s a risk we are happy to take since we will not be mingling elsewhere.