What do the anti-vax conspiracy theorists think will happen?

[tiers4fears]

I'm not talking about those who are concerned the vaccination hasn't been around long enough, what do the conspiracy theorists think will happen if people have the vaccine?

Here's an idea for a conspiracy theory, how about the elites created Covid & the vaccines that prevent it in order to kill off the anti vaxers.

@Aprilrainbow

Here's an idea for a conspiracy theory, how about the elites created Covid & the vaccines that prevent it in order to kill off the anti vaxers

The 'anti-vaxxers' (as you call them) will be at risk from the virus

The crazed vaccine militants will be risking new vaccines that have no long term data regarding side effects, duration of immunity, whether they prevent transmission, and so on

Three "reasons" just shown on the BBC, were that we don't need it because we use natural remedies instead ie: ginger, garlic and honey...... we don't need it because God will protect us, and we don't need because, well it's got a chip in it, init......... Sigh.

I bet most of those going on about them injecting trackers into us carry smartphones wherever they go.

This very good on conspiracy theorists (sic). Especially the bit about how big a needle you'd need to get a chip in.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dfqn

Absolutely nothing, it's a placebo. Or maybe it's an innoculation against a virus yet to be released, those compliant people who take it will be saved, a lot of the rest will die. Dunno though, just made that up.

If you don't see anything odd or incongruous about this whole thing crack on, why berate people who do?

The nanobot / microchip thing - does the technology even exist to do that?

'The nanobot / microchip thing - does the technology even exist to do that?'

Do what?

No I'm not just being silly, because there are significant restrictions on the utility of something which does not have a power supply. It can be passively read (like a pet identichip) but I'm not sure much else is possible

If you don't see anything odd or incongruous about this whole thing crack on, why berate people who do?

Because they are risking peoples lives based on rubbish they've made up or read on social media.

@oneglassandpuzzled

I'm glad we're stopping the over-80s having children.

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

Many anti-vaxxers seem to have the same trouble that nay sayers had when motor engines replaced horses, without understanding motors, physics, or specifying any threat.

"There'll be trouble before long, you mark my words"

STEM and news and information about STEM subjects are so completely dumbed down, many of anti-vaxxers don't understand the science, the statistics, the calculation of risk and really do believe that feelings and personal (and unverified) anecdotes count as much as peer reviewed scientific research.

They believe they are more intelligent than the rest of us sheep, refuse to believe they are part of the 'herd' that's so frequently spoken about and yet are so poorly educated about science and maths by television and social media, that the claims of cranks and charlatans about 5G, microchip tracking, wi-fi, biology and simple statistics hold equal weight in their minds and dovetail in with their reluctance to become part of the herd.

We have been taught that we are all individuals, resulting in a remarkably selfish attitude in so many people that they cannot comprehend that they have to do something to help other people outside of donating a bit of money or buying a charity wristband.

We have lived on autopilot for so long, with all of life's modern conveniences on the high street, that to see food and coffee shops closed to sit down customers, having to pay attention to hygiene and see everything they've seen as their right to have or to do taken away is scary for them.

Bring back QED, Tomorrow's World and 'proper' science education.

Someone I know linked to a video about how viruses aren't real, they are particles extruded from our own cells to get rid of toxins, therefore Coronavirus isn't real. That the vaccine will actually introduce a 'poison' into us and that will be the 'virus' and make us sick. I 'love' the way they can erase the entire science of virology with a mere 'nope, doesn't exist'. And worse still, some people believe it!

In 1917, apparently there was a 'quantum leap in the electrification of the Earth' by the introduction of radio waves around the world. This apparently poisoned our cells and caused the Spanish flu pandemic. Satellites launched into the Van Allen belt caused the Hong Kong flu epidemic in 1968. Someone ought to point out that correlation isn't causation, you can't just cherry pick events and claim one causes the other! But reasoned arguments fall on deaf ears.

I am wondering if this is how previous advanced civilisations have fallen, by the proliferation of 'stupid' until disaster befalls the population because they simply won't accept reality. "Nope, asteroids aren't real, they are just fake.... WHOOSH...BLAM!!!!" Ooops.

haha this has brightened my day.
Though I do have some fears about the control and influence of some big internet companies - China will rule the world as they have banned some of the companies so are not under that particular influence, but are under their own country's influence - hmmm.

@ThreeFeetTall

If they are going for depopulation/infertility then why vax the over 50s??

Exactly, it makes no sense.

Yes but it is coercion, which is morally and ethically wrong.

@Gingernaut

Would you sacrifice your health (or life) or your family/children's health for the sake of the 'herd'?

[quote trulydelicious]@Gingernaut

Would you sacrifice your health (or life) or your family/children's health for the sake of the 'herd'?[/quote]
Hundreds and thousands of young men did just that in the last two world wars. Social responsibility. Tens of thousands of vaccine trial volunteers have also put themselves forward for no personal reward, just altruism.

The gov will not be able to contain their excitement tracking me ‘ohh look buttercups doing the big shop at Morrison’s rather than sainsburys this week shits about to go down!’

Microchips, 5G, detoxing viruses, Bill Gates and you know ‘big pharma’

Both sleeves rolled up get me jabbed and life back to something resembling normal and start teaching proper science again. FFS Ann on Facebook with her BTEC in nutrition actually knows fuck all about virology but does want to sell her snake oil supplement and essential oils to you....

@BigWoollyJumpers

Tens of thousands of vaccine trial volunteers have also put themselves forward for no personal reward, just altruism

Yes, and we should all be immensely grateful to them and of course to soldiers.

My question was to @Gingernaut as her post is so preachy

Anyhow, I don't think that those who take the vaccine at this point are altruistically volunteering as part of a trial. They must believe they are receiving a product that provides a high degree of certainty (which it doesn't because there are still many unknowns)

@Gingernaut and @Buttercupcup

I'm glad you could get hold of your security blankets and can find comfort in thinking that those that do not share your views are 'uneducated' and getting their facts from FB and Social Media

trulydelicious "because there are still many unknowns" only in terms of overall effectiveness. We know it works and we have ruled out it turning you into a freemason lizard and so forth so mostly you can relax

We know that some people will be allergic but some are allergic to everything.

@LastTrainEast

freemason lizard

No, I mean how long does immunity last? Can the vaccinated still pass on the infection? Do novel technology vaccines (such as Pfizer) have any late onset side effects that could not be identified as not enough time has passed? What is the ingredient that is likely to be causing the allergic reactions (for Pfizer) ?

Just the basics, nothing esoteric, really

Unfortunately social media is full of this. In real life ( I work frontline healthcare) I know 2 people who won’t get the vaccine as one is breastfeeding so advised not to and one has previous anaphylaxis to medication. However it is only on social media I have seen people stating they will not get the vax due to any of the conspiracy theories previously mentioned. If they can produce me some good quality peer reviewed research discussing how they arrived at their conclusions I am more than happy to read and even have my feelings changed. However when asked the evidence I have been provided has largely been links to YouTube videos. I have previously worked in drug development and clinical research both in the NHS and the pharmaceutical industry so I know what goes into getting a medication to MHRA approval. An MHRA inspection is terrifying and they go through everything with a fine tooth comb, if it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me. This isn’t about my comfort blanket it’s about science.

Wow some of these theories! Fascinating.
I had an amazing conversation with a friend the other day who was telling me that the vaccine has a chip in it. But it’s also part of reducing the population program and is actually going to kill off all the over 65’s. So, the point of the chip is...? But it’s also going to make all men sterile.
I did point out that we probably still do need some population, right? But she had no answer.
I’m in no rush to have the vaccine yet. I’ve had covid and I’m hoping I have some immunity. Though it doesn’t seem to last long by all accounts. I’m not anti vaccines at all, just a bit cautious of the effectiveness and side effects of a new vaccine.

No, I mean how long does immunity last?

Not known for either the disease or the vaccine. NERVTAG last published on this at the end of November, and results of survey such as SIREN expected this month.

Can the vaccinated still pass on the infection?

Still not known - believed to, but not fully established. The benefit to the individual, in terms of protection from severe forms of the disease, is worthwhile in itself.

Do novel technology vaccines (such as Pfizer) have any late onset side effects that could not be identified as not enough time has passed?

No vaccine has an identified late onset side effect, and no plausible mechanism for how this one would priduce one has been laid out. We don't know if the disease has late onset effects. If you think of measles, then the late onset SSPE which is a rare late complication of the wild disease is unknown following vaccination. At the population level, vaccines are safer than wild diseases.

What is the ingredient that is likely to be causing the allergic reactions (for Pfizer) ?

Someine else will have to answer that one, too far off topic for me. The ingredients list has been published.

@scaevola

So you agree with me, there are unknowns.

The issue around side effects has been discussed at large here but I will say it again. The technology for these vaccines is new (mainly Pfizer and Moderna) so conclusions cannot be drawn from existing vaccines. We also have the example of Pandremix - the link to delayed onset narcolepsy has not been conclusively proven or disproven but the vaccine was banned in many countries and compensation paid out.

Also, I don't know why, when discussing the vaccine, people keep deflecting attention to the virus and how it's dangerous. I think most of us know that already and are taking precautions and following the guidelines.

We are discussing the vaccinehere, not the virus