To not understand why people don't get Self isolating

[Northernsoulgirl45]

So two year groups at dds Secondary are fully closed due to multiple cases.
Yes I have seen parents taking said kids on school run. I understand the difficulties when kids are small but today I saw a year 9 walking back from local primary with his mum.. No SEN.
The mind boggles.

Yet not yes

Self isolating = stay at home. Do not leave the house. Except in an emergency or presumably to get a covid test.

Hmm dd's whole school was closed because of loads of cases. Not everyone actually had to self isolate.

You’re right, but there have been so many different rules and changes along the way I do understand how people get confused. (Eg MIL assumed my DC could still go to school during self isolation because their parents are keyworkers!!)

Perhaps if we called it 'quarantine' people would understand better?

Agreed. So many people have a weird belief that it affects everyone but them. I have intelligent lovely friends who regularly share posts on how to stay safe...and then arrange meet ups in the park.

Oh for fuck’s sake. Who wants to stay indoors for 14 days because someone tested positive.. did said person die? We aren’t even being given figures for who is dying from COVID-19 any more.. is it the young? Over 80s?
What exactly does self-isolation achieve? One still has to go back into the world on day 15. And guess what.. you might touch that thing that someone else had touched with COVID-19, contract it, be a bit sick, die, have it asymptotically and pass it on to everyone else you encounter.
It’s not even clear how it is transmitted.
Restrictions, as we know them, make little sense and little difference.., hence cases rising once lockdown eases.

Some people don’t understand it, some people don’t care and some people are quick to judge without knowing the full story.

Plenty of children are off school at the moment and some will be returning only to find they can’t because their class is in isolation. It means they also have to stay at home for homeschooling except they are not expected to isolate because they were off during the potentially contagious period.

Well @krazynights34 the idea is that you could be contagious during that 14 day period. If you go out you might spread the virus. Most people wont die but some people could.

So if everyone self isolated in response to risk we could save lives.

Unfortunately many people would rather carry on in absolute ignorance cos it's unlikely they will die, so why should they care. The technical term for these people is "Morons".

Dd2 is in same years I know they should be self isolating.

DS is self isolating at the moment, 1 case, opposite side of the school to him, they don't share classes, teachers or mix at breaks. The whole year is isolating. It's absolutely ridiculous, close contacts I totally agree with, 240 kids is overkill.

@Krazynights34 I understand your frustration, especially when you try to discuss the ineffective PCR test (cycle threshold) on MN and are totally ignored! False positives happen more often that most want to believe and it's messing with everything!! "Cases" does not mean "infectious". It's getting ridiculous now - there are healthy ppl walking around outside in masks - we read peer-reviewed papers about asymptomatic infection being absolutely miniscule and yet, here we all are, lapping up what's on the telly and swallowing the SAGE models and "cases" - it's got to stop.

I do understand the principle and asserted purpose of self-isolation @BexR. In fact, I’m fairly sure the “morons” you refer to also do.
Originally, self-isolation pertained when one actually had COVID-19. Perhaps that worked, perhaps it did not. Do you see what I mean?
If it were the case that people who had tested positive for COVID-19 stayed home for 14 days (as most probably did, or do) it still hasn’t stopped the rise in cases. And it’s not because “morons” don’t follow whatever the government or other country’s governments say - it’s because people actually don’t know how to manage the spread.
I say, let’s hope vaccines work. Because restrictions don’t seem to

@Todaythiscouldbe that's ridiculous!!! and yet, you live with your son but you don't have to self-isolate?? It's getting out of hand - making it up as they go along.

@BexR

Well *@krazynights34* the idea is that you could be contagious during that 14 day period. If you go out you might spread the virus. Most people wont die but some people could.

So if everyone self isolated in response to risk we could save lives.

Unfortunately many people would rather carry on in absolute ignorance cos it's unlikely they will die, so why should they care. The technical term for these people is "Morons".

No. The "Morons" are the deluded ones who still believe and follow this utter nonsensical rubbish. We have lived with viruses new and old since time began and as you have said "most people won't die but some could" from this one. Nothing new there. What is new is the bizarre hysterical overreaction and the complete destruction it has caused to the economy, our children's education, society, humanity and our basic freedoms and rights to "live".

Future generations will be laughing at the history books and the horrific absurdity of it all. I'd like to see then who they will be calling the "Morons"

@BexR - great! We are on the same page

@Krazynights34

Oh for fuck’s sake. Who wants to stay indoors for 14 days because someone tested positive.. did said person die? We aren’t even being given figures for who is dying from COVID-19 any more.. is it the young? Over 80s? What exactly does self-isolation achieve? One still has to go back into the world on day 15. And guess what.. you might touch that thing that someone else had touched with COVID-19, contract it, be a bit sick, die, have it asymptotically and pass it on to everyone else you encounter. It’s not even clear how it is transmitted. Restrictions, as we know them, make little sense and little difference.., hence cases rising once lockdown eases.

+ people are absolutely exhausted by all this after nearly a year. They just cannot be arsed especially since cases are going up despite a lockdown. So.. What did isolating achieve? Nothing.

My dd's school closed 2 year groups recently as they didnt have enough staff to teach them. We could therefore still go out as we were not isolating. Could it have been the same at this school op?

I'm not saying that I wouldn't self isolate...I would.
I was just giving reasons why people may not.

So many families at my school don't understand and have done the school run whilst awaiting test results...or sending ch in even after the parent has tested positive!! Currently 8 classes out, so half the school...

It's infuriating!!

I find some of the attitudes on this thread quite shocking. It makes me wonder if those posters are close to anyone elderly or otherwise medically vulnerable because I just can’t see how you could take risks right now without completely lacking empathy for those groups who could literally die if they catch it. I’m sticking to the guidelines as much as I possibly can. DD is self isolating at the moment and although she seems perfectly healthy I understand it’s still possible she has it and it’s still possible she could affect others.

Some whole year groups are Ebony closed due to shortage of staff, so only the close contacts have to stay home but the others don’t as him they haven’t been a close contact they just can’t go into school.

Same happened to our nursery, all kids sent home for 2 weeks as so many staff had been exposed but only the kids in the 2-3 room had to stay home the others didn’t.

There is clearly an enormous spend to add infectious diseases and basic concepts such as infectiousness and terms like 'incubation period' to the science curriculum.

And the definition of self isolation has not changed at all since the off

It means you stay at home

It's the simplest, easiest to understand, and most consistent message there has been.

Yes, it means you have to do something you don't want to for the sake of the community at large.

@OverTheRainbow88 and @Butterbeeeen it is my dds year group and it is definitely closed due to number of cases.
Our area was super low but in the last few weeks our small Town gas risen to about 250 cases per 100K.

I don’t get it either. The communication is very clear, stay home and self isolate.

I don’t think it’s being misunderstood just ignored. Sadly there is plenty of selfish behaviour to be witnessed currently.