To not understand why people don't get Self isolating

[Northernsoulgirl45]

So two year groups at dds Secondary are fully closed due to multiple cases.
Yes I have seen parents taking said kids on school run. I understand the difficulties when kids are small but today I saw a year 9 walking back from local primary with his mum.. No SEN.
The mind boggles.

@Krazynights34

Oh for fuck’s sake. Who wants to stay indoors for 14 days because someone tested positive.. did said person die? We aren’t even being given figures for who is dying from COVID-19 any more.. is it the young? Over 80s? What exactly does self-isolation achieve? One still has to go back into the world on day 15. And guess what.. you might touch that thing that someone else had touched with COVID-19, contract it, be a bit sick, die, have it asymptotically and pass it on to everyone else you encounter. It’s not even clear how it is transmitted. Restrictions, as we know them, make little sense and little difference.., hence cases rising once lockdown eases.

No one wants to stay in for 14 days. But anyone with an ounce of humanity doesn’t want to pass on a virus that could seriously harm or kill another person.

I know lots of people who had COVID without symptoms. I know others who were now seriously ill and may have life long conditions. A few have died.

I would rather not self isolate but i have. It’s boring and frustrating. But I would be distraught at harming another person.

For many not self isolating is a function of selfishness and stupidity. In some cases not self isolating is a function of desperation and I have sympathy for that but it’s still not right and there should be better support for these people.

@VashtaNerada

I find some of the attitudes on this thread quite shocking. It makes me wonder if those posters are close to anyone elderly or otherwise medically vulnerable because I just can’t see how you could take risks right now without completely lacking empathy for those groups who could literally die if they catch it. I’m sticking to the guidelines as much as I possibly can. DD is self isolating at the moment and although she seems perfectly healthy I understand it’s still possible she has it and it’s still possible she could affect others.

It makes me wonder if you did the same to protect the elderly and clinically vulnerable before this virus - you know, with flu, norovirus, TB, whooping cough...….. all of which which kill thousands of elderly and vulnerable every year despite a vaccine before you start harping on about that. I see it every year (I'm a nurse) Why is that then? And why are you all so adamant at destroying your children's future at the start of their lives to save those who are at the end anyway???

It seems to vary from school to school, especially closing whole year groups.

Eg my DSs school, he had to SI as he sat next to a boy in Maths who got it - fair enough. Last day today. The rest of the year stayed at school as they weren't affected.

My DD's entire year was sent home yesterday and told to SI, but also told they'd get a letter if they were one of the cases's close contacts. I understand the case is a girl she has no contact with whatsoever different form etc etc.

So I can see why my DS needs to SI but not my DD. Fair enough to close the year at school but SI, not so much if she's never come in contact with her.

I understand it but when l have to go to the office to pick stuff up to work from home, l can't leave my 9 year old at home. So she has to sit in the car outside while l pop in - what else can l do in that situation? Employers being v understanding but the work still needs doing and nobody l work with lives near me so dropping it off wouldn't be an option.

@VashtaNerada

I find some of the attitudes on this thread quite shocking. It makes me wonder if those posters are close to anyone elderly or otherwise medically vulnerable because I just can’t see how you could take risks right now without completely lacking empathy for those groups who could literally die if they catch it. I’m sticking to the guidelines as much as I possibly can. DD is self isolating at the moment and although she seems perfectly healthy I understand it’s still possible she has it and it’s still possible she could affect others.

Of course I do, but even those people have in excess of a 95% survival rate.

But then, I have had flu, and whooping cough and my friends 6 year old nearly died from chicken pox, I also had a school friend die from meningitis in the 90s and dont remember all this panic and isolation rules back then!

Flu kills, noro kills, in fact any virus has the potential to kill !! Most will survive, some wont. Welcome to the foibles of human life.

If I got covid and passed it on I wont feel guilty, I'd feel sad sure, but distraught and guilty no. Because this is what viruses have done since the dawn of time. Its madness to think that our species can stop a virus moving around by locking most people up. Short of locking every single person in their home, which is not possible, this virus will travel.

It's not sustainable to make people repeatedly isolate because someone else has tested positive for an endemic virus. It has massive impacts on people's jobs, income and education and is often just not practical especially if you have other children etc. I would isolate myself but can understand why others don't, especially if it keeps happening.

Individuals will have been told whether they need to self-isolate or not.

Ds's girlfriend's year group is closed. All her friendship group have to self-isolate. She does not. The same happened to dd. They closed the entire 6th form due to multiple cases but those who had to self-isolate were sent a different letter/email to those who didn't.

Everyone in this case should be self isolating though due to number of cases. All the communication was extremely clear on that point.

What if you were in a supermarket with five people that later tested positive? Would they all need to self isolate?

Or only if you got within 2 metres of them?

Even if a school has 3 cases in a year group doesn't mean your child has got anywhere near them. Certainly in my kids' secondary schools the chances of them passing in the corridor even are miniscule.

@Northernsoulgirl45

Everyone in this case should be self isolating though due to number of cases. All the communication was extremely clear on that point.

You know 100% that everyone was sent the same letter?

Ds's girlfriend was sent home from school in the morning. The letters went out throughout the day. Girlfriend was sent a different letter as she had not had contact with the person for a specific reason.

When dd had to self isolate one girl in the year had been absent on the crucial day of contact so she didn't have to isolate. It's impossible to know everyone's circumstances/what PHE have advised the school.

It was communicated by letter and on social media channels. It was made very clear that everyone must isolate.

Ds year has closed due to 8 cases. But told they did NOT have to self isolate. Except 20 kids.

the whole year had the 'year closed letter, email' then the other 20 had additional letter

A member of staff had it at school, followed by a child in their class and then member of the child's household. It spreads!

I know of two that have lost their lives to Covid and two that had it in spring/summer and still aren't right. It's not worth risking.

@user1471562688 if you were genuinely a nurse you would know that not all vulnerable people are end of life, there are many who lead full and fulfilling lives and contribute to society - in fact some are even nurses!

Some aspects of self isolation make little sense. I had to self isolate prior to a hospital appointment but my children were still technically required to go to school (and me to get them there and back). Hardly avoiding infection risk really. I arranged time off for them. Then the appointment was cancelled on the day because they thought I had covid symptoms (I didn't and tested negative again the next day) 😫. I know things happen but I can't keep on booking in isolations like this. It's not covid every time I sneeze. People are fed up with being messed around, all the illogical rule changes and covid taking over everything and that is where people will either break the rules or forgo essential treatment or services, making their original problem worse.

@user1471562688 my dh is ECV and has normal life expectancy. He is a HRT payer who has worked diligently at home throughout.
He is not at the end of his life and personally my kids future would be more destroyed by losing their Dad than anything else.

It is mainly because repeated bouts of self isolation for various children all at different times for a sustained period just isn't workable long term. We are pretty much getting to "long term" as all this in and out of school has been going on for nine months now.

@user1471562688 I'm ECV with normal life expectancy. Age 36
What we hear is "we don't matter because we are dying anyway"
People seem to have mixed up ECV with elderly

@QueenPaws yes the stereotypical 80 plus year old who had lived their life.
It is shit.

user1471562688 I think it’s absurd that you actually think future generations will be laughing at history books over this. If they would then god help future generations!! 1.8 millions confirmed uk cases. Now up to 20k plus new cases a day, 232k hospital admissions, 63k deaths and rising in hundreds everyday. And that’s just this year. By end of this most people will be looking on this remembering there friend or family member who died prematurely due to this virus. Mental health is suffering In a lot people also due to numbers increasing and increasing, people no longer want to go out cause they no longer feel safe. Economy will be effected either way.

@tilder

Self isolating = stay at home. Do not leave the house. Except in an emergency or presumably to get a covid test.

Exactly. I was in hospital Monday. Wasn’t expecting to be admitted but I was, I presented with Covid symptoms. I had to make do with sleeping in my clothes as DH was isolating until my test came back negative. Would I have preferred clean clothes and a toothbrush? Of course! Did I suck it up? Yes.

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]@user1471562688 my dh is ECV and has normal life expectancy. He is a HRT payer who has worked diligently at home throughout.
He is not at the end of his life and personally my kids future would be more destroyed by losing their Dad than anything else.[/quote]
So has he been self-isolating all his life for all the other viruses then that would kill him as he is ECV? If not why not? ???

He has the flu jab every year.