To not understand why people don't get Self isolating

[Northernsoulgirl45]

So two year groups at dds Secondary are fully closed due to multiple cases.
Yes I have seen parents taking said kids on school run. I understand the difficulties when kids are small but today I saw a year 9 walking back from local primary with his mum.. No SEN.
The mind boggles.

@user1471562688 I have the flu jab, I avoid people who are ill, I take medication that makes me unwell to improve my immune system, I have emergency antibiotics, I've been vaccinated for pneumonia, I sit in the corridor at work if someone is unwell, I don't sit in a&e or a doctors waiting room

Have a little bloody empathy I do my absolute best for something that could happen to anyone, and did to me 4 years ago

In face I can't believe you are actually a nurse if you're trying to say that organ transplant patients and children with cancer should be shutting themselves away. Unless I'm reading it wrong

He has the flu jab every year.

I rest my case.

QueenPaws

So why couldn't you carry on doing these things? You haven't answered my question about the need to destroy life/the world as we knew it ?

I've been a nurse for 34 years and cared for organ transplant/ paediatric oncology and have never seen the world destroyed to protect them. Can you tell me why it is needed now??

Because so far there isn't a covid cure or a vaccine rolled out, and long covid seems to be causing a load of issues? Unlike say chicken pox which we know how to treat. Also people who are ill tend to have symptoms and stay at home with other illnesses, unlike people who can have no symptoms with covid. I feel exactly the same about people who take their children out with chicken pox

I mean what's the other option? You can't lock everyone ECV up for years. People with cancer etc have it hard enough without totally isolating them because people can't bear to self isolate for 14 days or wear a mask or change their life in any tiny way when ECV people have probably already changed their lives massively

Lots of us had those viruses before we were vulnerable or extremely vulnerable. And then we dutifully have the flu jab each year.
What else should we be doing?

Nope. Still haven't answered my question. There is no "cure" for the flu either and the vaccine efficacy is 40-60% annually and that's dependent on the uptake which can vary. Long Covid (which is not a confirmed medical diagnosis by the way) does not appear to be any different to any other post viral fatigue syndromes which are nothing new ( I have nursed patients who have not been able to return to work for 10-12 months).

ECV people haven't locked themselves up before for these viruses so I ask my question again - why the total destruction of the world/economy/basic human life for this one???

So what's the answer then? Everyone out and survival of the fittest?
I'm not expecting the world to be destroyed for me - I'm shielding myself! Makes no odds to me what anyone else does as I don't go out
The flip side of destroying basic human life is that most of the ECV are still trying to shield so technically we are destroying our own lives

today I saw a year 9 walking back from local primary with his mum.. No SEN.

Can I just say AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH?

My DD doesn't wear a badge or have a t-shirt that announces her SEN. You wouldn't know. Her teacher knows, her tutor knows, her psychologist knows, but not random school mum.

@QueenPaws

So what's the answer then? Everyone out and survival of the fittest? I'm not expecting the world to be destroyed for me - I'm shielding myself! Makes no odds to me what anyone else does as I don't go out The flip side of destroying basic human life is that most of the ECV are still trying to shield so technically we are destroying our own lives

Well you know what to do then. ECV haven't destroyed their own lives before so why now. Life is very short and very precious and is for "living" not "existing" in an inhumane way.

Because the other viruses aren't growing or in danger of growing exponentially, and therefore circulating widely in the population and so presenting more risk for those vulnerable.
Sigh.
Another ECV fairly young(ish) here and with a good many more years yet, hopefully. And so, so weary of all the anti-vulnerable ableist talk on here and other SM about how we're going to die anyway and should just get out of the way so normal people can live their lives. We, apparently, are immune to MH issues, job losses, missed diagnoses etc, and are the reason everyone else suffers with these things. Even though, actually, statistically we're more likely to.
Double sigh.

People understand, they just don't care.

@MrsTerryPratchett I am sorry if that came across wrong. I absolutely know this especially as dd 2 has recently been diagnosed herself with autism and dd3 is going through the assessment process.
However what I was clumsily trying to point out is that the child in question leads a fully normal and independent life ( helping st Rainbows etc etc) unlike my dd whose anxiety is so bad that she barely leaves the house and at age 13 still has soiling issues. But I take your point I don't advertise it. The irony of this situation is that dd2 git the same letter even though she has seen nobody which is why I can say with certainly that even child was instructed to self isolate.
All of this is new to me and we have had bugger all support.

I'm not convinced. I agree with Pilkington. The chances of my 2 x secondary ds's catching it is minuscule. Both have self isolated, diligently, following the rules. Because they had a child in their year positive.

But I don't think either of my ds's were in much close contact with said child.

But they missed lessons and had to catch up. Being at home is not the same as being in school lessons.

I made them stay indoors. Not leaving the house. Ds1 wanted to go for a run (normally does boxing and is Uber fit). But Dh said no. Looking back with hindsight he could've gone at an ungodly hour like 5 am or 10 pm and never even encountered another individual / human being, so I too am questioning whether some of this is a bit 0TT. I'm just questioning some of the rules.

Yes! Let the old and the vulnerable die. Who cares about them eh? As long as it’s ‘others’ who are dying it’s ok.

To the poster who asked whether we protected the elderly and vulnerable from the flu in the same manner - well there’s a flu vaccine and the fatality rate for the flu is much lower than covid. Once we have all of the most at risk people vaccinated, I’m certain that things will look much more normal.

I often wonder how people who just want to get on with things would react if it was children who were most vulnerable to covid. How would they react if someone suggested we should just let the children die because obviously they are the most vulnerable to it. Therefore the rest of us should just get on with our lives and risk increasing the spread by not self isolating when required. Imagine the horror if someone said ‘who cares if 100k children die’? Shocking? Yes but that’s exactly what I’ve heard people saying about the old and the vulnerable.

Honestly this makes me so upset.

My child doesn't have special needs but I wouldn't have left them home alone at 9 to do a school run.
A child with no symptoms who is outdoors and not mixing is not going to pass on a virus that they are very unlikely to have in the first place.

Year 9. The child is 13

Well today they were stood outside local shop having a nice little chat to a person.
Wuth this kind of attitude in Town it is no wonder we are the highest in our County.
It is absolutely rife now in the local Secondary school. 3 different years affected with cases and lots of additional kids offf due to to contact with positive teachers.
About 2 teachers positive and another 12 or so self isolating.
No surprise really as saw a young couple walk out of another young couples house yesterday. Seemed like they had a lovely time and were looking forward ti next time.
Both of my Secondary age kids now off.