Secondary schools are stuffed, GOVERNMENT ADMITS

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Mass testing for secondary school pupils in worst affected areas.

I wish that pigs would fly, the govt would consult educationalists and make a firm decision that they don't u-turn on based on experts' advice and let the poor Y11s and their teachers know asap.

@christinarossetti19

DBML yes, it's absolutely dreadful what has been taken away from our young people.

Of course the virus would have had a significant, limited effect, but it's heart-breaking to know that it needn't have been anywhere near so destructive if there had been better measures put in place.

Just on your ventilation crusade Marsha. That was one of the few recommendations that the govt did make and it clearly hasn't worked in terms of suppressing transmission.

It's probably not the best line of argument.

What would you go for? If you had to pick the top one

The unions have sent out long lists then they went full close the schools

Well this is a gross misrepresentation.

What did they do? I’ve seen both long lists posted on here and then NEU close the schools Twitter campaign. I’m yet to read succinct and easy to get immediately but obviously I only see what is posted on here.

Top what? Covid mitigation measure?

Masks for everyone all the time (secondary) would be a start, but the overwhelming evidence from around the world is that institutions need a series of measures

But Christina is picking many things working so far?

The government use simple messages around one thing because it works. Stay home for example. You get change.

When it’s too much you get none. Maybe if it had worked already then great.

So it might be Secret Santa if you end up getting something over nothing. It’s pretty much what the people who get change have used. Not saying it’s a definite. Just throwing it out there

And there’s nothing to say you can’t come back and add another one. Which also the government have done pretty successfully.

The thing that is missing is not suggestions for risk mitigation. There are lots.

The thing that is missing is FUNDING from central government for it. Until they put some actual money into this then it will never happen. So they think ventilation and cleaning are helpful? Well, without extra money for proper cleaning it is very unlikely to be viable in the real world. Ventilation also involves more than just opening windows.

@MarshaBradyo
re: gov messaging
No, it doesn't. Because a 3 word slogan doesn't explain and doesn't create understanding. Those who are inclined to follow will do, but nor because they know why, but because of blind obedience. And we see how that is going.
So 3 word slogans are not the way.

The government seem able to issue mitigation measures and funding for other sectors, but education must just carry on as normal.

[quote TheSunIsStillShining]@MarshaBradyo
re: gov messaging
No, it doesn't. Because a 3 word slogan doesn't explain and doesn't create understanding. Those who are inclined to follow will do, but nor because they know why, but because of blind obedience. And we see how that is going.
So 3 word slogans are not the way.[/quote]
It doesn’t the matter. It works. In a crisis you need change.

However you don’t have to have a three word slogan. But try a single line. Not a full A4 page.

We want x because of y

Imagine you are a parent with too many children and A brings you a one liner and requests £5. Then the other child brings an essay and doesn’t say how much but it sounds a lot.

You give it to A and then if A says look it worked! A asks for more on the back of proof that £5 got results.

In any case if I am wrong - which, well I am alone saying this so who knows. But we wouldn’t have this discussion as the long A4 pages would have worked.

I haven’t seen anything posted on here from a union that felt convincing enough to act. Obviously I haven’t read much. But he succinct already! Focus.

They don't want proof or results. They have it, they are ignoring it on purpose. For some reason they want this to rush through schools. Other countries don't feel the same way.

For some achievable and science-based mitigation measures, check out some of the mitigation measures (and millions and millions of dollars of accompanying funding) from this province in Canada: www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/education-training/k-12/covid-19-return-to-school

Oh, and if parents don't feel ready/able to have their children return to a school environment, this also includes money for remote learning which must be offered.

Unions haven't posted on here?

@Piggywaspushed

Unions haven't posted on here?

I’ve read Unions requests on here. No they haven’t posted but people have copied and pasted. Think it was to prove that they weren’t all asking for closure. Can’t remember why,

And still they threaten families with fines and prosecution. What an evil government and useless opposition. Giving the government enough rope to hang themselves is not a way to oppose, they need to speak up for families, children and teachers.

@MarshaBradyo

1. no, they don't work. What they do is mobilize the troops. We are not at war and we would have needed totally different approach to how gov communicates.

1.again no. This is not a simple issue and there is no 1 measure that should be emphasized above all. There are about 5-7 measures that ALL NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED for it to have an effect.

1. Having one issue pinned to the forefront lead us here. Ventilation. Did it help? Not really?

[quote TheSunIsStillShining]@MarshaBradyo

1. no, they don't work. What they do is mobilize the troops. We are not at war and we would have needed totally different approach to how gov communicates.

1.again no. This is not a simple issue and there is no 1 measure that should be emphasized above all. There are about 5-7 measures that ALL NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED for it to have an effect.

1. Having one issue pinned to the forefront lead us here. Ventilation. Did it help? Not really?[/quote]

Are you getting where you want to be now?

You've completely lost me there Marsha. Exactly which parts of their mitigation measures in schools were successful?

The 'simple message' is 'reduce transmission'.

The longer but also so-simple-that-nearly-every-other-country-in-the-world-is-doing-it message is

Not sure what you mean either Christina I have said once you can show change you can ask again for more funding for next issue.

But yes you’re all right asking for the whole list - see Canada for example - might work.

The union requests went to government, one directly to Boris. Are you telling me he only would have read it and replied if it had been three words!?!

You might be on to something there.

I am not a big fan of sloganeering in these circumstances.

The only public sector campaign that gains traction, attention and outcomes is a strike, not a slogan.

Not asking for the whole list is as dim as only asking people to wear masks; or only asking people to wash hands, surely? I would have hoped the Government was capable of comprehending more than 2 or 3 bullet points, but maybe not, given their track record so far.

Piggy well it didn’t do much as it was!

Yep shorter, more focussed, be irritating but succinct. Think like a child getting what they want ;

Maybe no dice either and actually probably too late now.

It isn't up to ask or to beg on bended knee. The government has the facts.

Is your background marketing?

I guess that was the problem with PPE at the beginning, too - it’s much too complicated to expect it to be in date and to meet safety standards. Asking for PPE is more than enough.

You might not think it’s up to unions. Or any sort of persuasion should be involved. But other sectors lobby.

But as it panned out what was used didn’t work.

Background mixed - but includes economics ie allocation of scarce resources and some work with agencies on behaviour change. A while ago I do something else now.

But before the derision starts I am not claiming to be an expert. Just posting as a punter on the internet who wonders if a different approach would aid. But I reckon it’s too late now.