Angry teachers why aren't your leadership team doing more?

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If there's 2-3 teachers catching Corona daily in one school (15 a week) as stated on another thread why on earth has your leadership team not shut the school? Another school with 66 cases in pupils in one week, why is the school still open?
Before you say the government won't support it, that's rubbish. My DCs school has recently shut for 2 weeks at least to all but year 11 and 13. And they had much fewer cases than above and none in staff.
You should be lobbying your leadership team as they sound useless.

@notevenat20

The head may also get to decide the size of bubbles. This affects who gets sent home if there is a case. In DSs secondary they bubble by year which means the whole year gets sent home for every single case. If the head really wants the school to be more empty they can also make sure teachers teach across years so if any teacher gets infected huge numbers of children will be sent home.

it doesn't work like that. Dfe and PHE advise the school on who needs to isolate.

It doesn't work like that. Dfe and PHE advise the school on who needs to isolate

Doesn't the school decide how it wants to arrange itself, in particular with respect to which classes mix. Then this defines bubbles. I.e. in DSs school the entire year mixes freely. Then if there is a case they describe the school setup to the PHE who decide who has to go home.

So effectively the head can decide how large a group will be sent home when there are cases by how they have arranged the bubbles.

Oh not where have you been? Bubbles don’t routinely get sent home any more. Close contacts only.

I believe they can require masks for children in secondary
Not in classrooms yet.

Oh not where have you been? Bubbles don’t routinely get sent home any more. Close contacts only.

I have seen that on MN but it’s not my experience. DSs school has sent the whole year home every time. It must depend on how the school has set itself up with respect to mixing.

These seem to be the limits with respect to masks for 12s and over.
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Examples of where education leaders might decide to recommend the wearing of face coverings - for pupils, staff and visitors - in communal areas of the education setting include:

where the layout of the school or college estate makes it particularly difficult to maintain social distancing when staff and pupils are moving around the premises
where on top of hygiene measures and the system of controls recommended in the full opening guidance to schools and FE colleges and providers, permitting the use of face coverings for staff, pupils or other visitors would provide additional confidence to parents to support a full return of children to school or college”

This is a choice for the head to take.

It must depend on how the school has set itself up with respect to mixing.

It isn’t. There will be other factors at play there. Isn’t your child at a private school? (I remember you’re russian language thread). Sizes, buildings, cases etc.

I have seen that on MN but it’s not my experience. DSs school has sent the whole year home every time. It must depend on how the school has set itself up with respect to mixing.

Your experience doesn't trump the data. And if your DS goes to a state school, they're likely to be investigated by the DfE for sending too many kids home.

"The average (median) number of pupils isolating, per confirmed pupil COVID-19 case within schools has decreased from 25 pupils on 26 November to 23 pupils on 3 December. This decrease is driven by state-funded secondaries, with an average of 23 pupils isolating per confirmed COVID-19 case on 3 December, down from 25 pupils on 26 November. State-funded primaries have an average of 29 pupils isolating per case of COVID-19 on 3 December, down slightly from last week. This analysis only includes schools that have reported at least one confirmed COVID-19 case within pupils."

not , we have 400 year 9 children mixing freely all day including unmasked at break and lunch is a small social area.

When we had a case last week, only the children who sat within 2 m in the child's lessons were sent home. This was about 45 in total.

Your experience doesn't trump the data. And if your DS goes to a state school, they're likely to be investigated by the DfE for sending too many kids home.

Your data is orthogonal to the question of whether schools can affect how many children are likely to be sent home by changing how they set themselves up with respect to mixing.

Do you think that the schools sending home an average of 23 pupils are doing anything massively different to your DS's school?

What are they failing to do?

Or are they private?

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/dec/12/minister-threatens-school-heads-over-pre-christmas-online-lessons?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1607767566

But not I have just told you on no occasion have our whole year groups been sent home.

Yeah. Back at beginning of Oct, (before DforE changed rules) DforE only wanted to send home close contacts of 4 Year 13s who had tested positive in my school but PHE rang late on the Friday night to send home whole year group (240 of them) to over-rule DforE.

Less than two weeks later, DforE changed the rules officially and ever since, every positive case is close contact only. There has been 2 or 3 cases a week spread out over all year groups.

Do you think that the schools sending home an average of 23 pupils are doing anything massively different to your DS's school?

Schools that send home fewer must logically have set themselves up differently. Maybe classes aren't allowed to mix or they don't have any communal after school/lunch time events or lunch is in the classroom?

Schools that send home fewer must logically have set themselves up differently.

Don’t expect logic to come into it.

How common is it for secondary schools to ask for the maximum mask wearing permitted by the govt?

How common is it for secondary schools to ask for the maximum mask wearing permitted by the govt?

Do you mean masks in classrooms? Incredibly uncommon.

Don’t expect logic to come into it.

One local state secondary basically doesn't allow the children to mix between classes. They spend about 30 minutes the entire day outside one specific classroom with no lunch time clubs or after school clubs. That's very different to another local state secondary.

Do you mean masks in classrooms? Incredibly uncommon.

I mean the most that is allowed. It seems heads can always asks for masks in communal areas outside classrooms. Is that common?

basically doesn't allow the children to mix between classes

Mine does and is still only allowed to send home close contacts.

How out of touch are you not? Masks in communal areas was mandated in all schools in communal areas in lockdown. It’s still mandated in Tier 2 and 3, so the vast majority of the country.

Heads have no say there!

@ChloeDecker

I believe they can require masks for children in secondary Not in classrooms yet.

My child has been required to wear a mask at all times when inside since the beginning of October. In a state school.

My child has been required to wear a mask at all times when inside since the beginning of October. In a state school.

That's so interesting. I just can't work out what the rules really are. Is this in a state secondary?

The ability to social distance would be useful.

The government are deceiving us.

Ask anyone who works in a hospital. Even though your child is a part of your bubble, they are banned from hospitals unless they have appointments or a patient themselves.

Why? Because according to hospitals they are the biggest spreaders. It had nothing to do with keeping numbers down either on the wards, not even allowed to see each other outside.

My sons State secondary have also been wearing masks in classes from September. No interaction with other year groups within the building. Staff moving around the classrooms. They are still having outbreaks. Currently, year 11, 9, and 8 are out. And year 13 in sixth form.