We're having 2-3 teachers a day catching CV19 DFE You're not keeping us safe

[Anon12345678910]

Look at the image from www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223
I've circled where we fall in classrooms. It's time for face coverings in classrooms. I don't want to loose any colleagues or my own life.

Incredible amounts of hand washing and social distancing.

How do you get teens to wash their hands and not be all over each other? How do they social distance in the classroom?

But...I’m under no circumstances isolating. No fucking way. Unless I personally am on my death bed, I’m going out to pick up my M&S Christmas order; I’m going to go to have Christmas Eve dinner at the pub; outside of meeting up with my own family, who I intend to keep safe, I’ll be doing whatever I fucking please. That’s how bitter I feel right now and I just couldn’t give a shit about anyone else.

This. I know where I stand. I used to be a really empathetic person. Not any more; I echo you - I don't give a shit any more.

When my late DM was in hospital having had her cancerous kidney removed, I was taken aback by the indifference. I get it now - commplete compassion fatigue. I have it.

SaltyAF

I guess I feel used. I feel like no one cares about the shit situation we’re in. How unsafe we are. How unsafe the kids are FFS.

The ‘keep schools open at all costs’ approach has really let me know how valued I am as a professional and a member of staff. How important my son is as a pupil.

And when I can’t keep kids safe, I’m asked whether I followed the fucking risk assessment!? What do you think I’ve been doing? (To the best of my ability at least - I mean I’m not a miracle worker).

So right now I’m feeling just done with it. I’ll teach a 3/4 empty school up until the 18th. But I‘ll remember how we’ve been treated.

@Anon12345678910 the rest of the population are not sitting at home in pjs a vast majority are working
Or some like me have lost job and are temping wondering how I am gping to cover all the bills

Actually.....
There are about 39m ppl working age (and in work in Jan).
9.6m are on furlough as of Nov 15.

(www.gov.uk/government/collections/hmrc-coronavirus-covid-19-statistics)

300k-700k (depending on source) have lost their jobs.

So roughly about 10m people are actually not working.
(me included due to redundancy as we had no paid work for 6 months and they closed our whole department)

I don't think this calculates with the businesses going bust unless the people have applied for UC. But it's not important and significant for this convo.

It does make me wonder if companies can keep going without the furloughed staff, what use are they in reality? Obviously not talking about staff where the venue is closed, but more along the lines of office settings.... It kind of shows how over staffed some companies are.

@DBML

SaltyAF

I guess I feel used. I feel like no one cares about the shit situation we’re in. How unsafe we are. How unsafe the kids are FFS.

The ‘keep schools open at all costs’ approach has really let me know how valued I am as a professional and a member of staff. How important my son is as a pupil.

And when I can’t keep kids safe, I’m asked whether I followed the fucking risk assessment!? What do you think I’ve been doing? (To the best of my ability at least - I mean I’m not a miracle worker).

So right now I’m feeling just done with it. I’ll teach a 3/4 empty school up until the 18th. But I‘ll remember how we’ve been treated.

Yup. I hear you.

Christmas Eve dinner at the pub; outside of meeting up with my own family, who I intend to keep safe, I’ll be doing whatever I fucking please. That’s how bitter I feel right now and I just couldn’t give a shit about anyone else.
@Dustballs - perhaps this is the answer to your question as to why teachers on here gave lost the respect of posters.

I’m sorry I haven’t read all of the thread.

DH is a teacher, I work admin in the same (massive, oversubscribed) school here in France.

I cannot understand why schools in the U.K. haven’t made masks mandatory.

Here, every single person - teachers, students from 6 yrs up, TAs, admin, cleaners, management - wear a mask all the time. Even the more nervous teachers have accepted that the school is not a hotbed of infection. Over 2000 students and 100 teachers, and we haven’t had a whole class closure since the very start of the year.

Masks are the only difference I can see btw us and you, and less stringent “contact case” / isolation rules. We have exactly the same issue of small classrooms, careless teens etc, but the difference is that our protocol says “distancing is best, but where not possible masks must be worn by everyone, all the time”. Since distancing is impossible this has translated into “wear a mask - everyone and always”.

@Susanwouldntlikeit really missing the point there.

@Susanwouldntlikeit

Christmas Eve dinner at the pub; outside of meeting up with my own family, who I intend to keep safe, I’ll be doing whatever I fucking please. That’s how bitter I feel right now and I just couldn’t give a shit about anyone else. *@Dustballs* - perhaps this is the answer to your question as to why teachers on here gave lost the respect of posters.

A frustrated and exhausted teacher shares their feelings and your response is to kick them when they're down.

Despicable.

Do you treat people so awfully in real life?

Many posters on many threads express (genuine) sentiments like dustballs often stating things about their MH, about their perceived freedoms or their DCs being locked away.

If a non teacher said what dust said on another thread susan would applaud it.

Sorry, just realised it was DBML that susan is pass agg attacking.

There is only one 'teacher' on here in recent times that I can think of who has lost posters' respect, and it's certainly not @Dustballs.

Ditto, sorry, @DBML.

@Susanwouldntlikeit

How should we feel Susan?

Weeks ago, we could have been made safer (and by ‘we’ I mean pupils as well as staff). Mandatory masks, a fairly worked out rota system, mass testing, etc.

We weren’t given any protections though and my school is now at tipping point. In a place where infections are raging.

But we’ve been told by Welsh Gov that childcare is needed to keep parents in work, so even our requests to swap days, work back time in the spring term, use INSET have been turned down and councils have released statements on FB about how safe we are instead.

So I ask you again. How would you be feeling?

Has Susan cleared up the business of claiming to work at a state school after previously saying very clearly that she didn't? Which if either is true Susan and can you explain why you have lied please?

@Susanwouldntlikeit

Christmas Eve dinner at the pub; outside of meeting up with my own family, who I intend to keep safe, I’ll be doing whatever I fucking please. That’s how bitter I feel right now and I just couldn’t give a shit about anyone else. *@Dustballs* - perhaps this is the answer to your question as to why teachers on here gave lost the respect of posters.

You say it like they care? They don’t.

@miimblemomble

I’m sorry I haven’t read all of the thread.

DH is a teacher, I work admin in the same (massive, oversubscribed) school here in France.

I cannot understand why schools in the U.K. haven’t made masks mandatory.

Here, every single person - teachers, students from 6 yrs up, TAs, admin, cleaners, management - wear a mask all the time. Even the more nervous teachers have accepted that the school is not a hotbed of infection. Over 2000 students and 100 teachers, and we haven’t had a whole class closure since the very start of the year.

Masks are the only difference I can see btw us and you, and less stringent “contact case” / isolation rules. We have exactly the same issue of small classrooms, careless teens etc, but the difference is that our protocol says “distancing is best, but where not possible masks must be worn by everyone, all the time”. Since distancing is impossible this has translated into “wear a mask - everyone and always”.

miimblemomble yep. The UK govt's stance of masks in schools, including actively discouraging them, must be astoundingly stupid to pretty much everywhere else in the world.

@Susanwouldntlikeit

Christmas Eve dinner at the pub; outside of meeting up with my own family, who I intend to keep safe, I’ll be doing whatever I fucking please. That’s how bitter I feel right now and I just couldn’t give a shit about anyone else. *@Dustballs* - perhaps this is the answer to your question as to why teachers on here gave lost the respect of posters.

ONE teacher posts that she is at the end of her tether and you use this to justify having “lost respect” for “”teachers on here”?

That’s a feeble excuse for dismissing valid concerns of teachers about their own safety, and that of their communities.

ChristinaRossetti I agree with everything else you've posted, but it is the English government's stance on masks you refer to - the Scottish government doesn't go far enough imo but in tier 3 and 4 areas all senior pupils are expected to wear masks in the classroom, as are staff. They are worn in corridors in all tiers.

Ah, thanks Possums4evr. It's lazy to keep saying 'UK govt' as I do and as I'm in England I know much more about what is going on in schools here.

And I do appreciate that it's irritating to people in Scotland, Wales and Ireland when their generally more competent govt decisions aren't acknowledged.

Sorry!

Aye we're not that much more competent though - Scottish government quite happy for some schools here to finish up on the 23rd, which is also the first day of the Christmas free-for-all They have refused to consider changing it.

Yeah, I can understand why Scotland went along with the batshit Xmas bubbles idea, I guess they know that people are going to travel.

Some schools in Scotland are going online for the last few days aren't they? But not really long enough to count as any sort of SI before people start spreading the virus around even more.

Not as things stand, no, the government rejected the request to do online for those days - I understand unions are still pursuing this but as of now no state school is finishing early.

@Anon12345678910

Equally if it's so safe why is the the rest of the population sitting in their PJ's watching daytime TV pretending to work? I think there's a lot of projection on here from some...

That's a bit silly, teachers aren't the only people working. Knocking other people who are working hard isn't going to help your case Plenty of us have been working as usual all year, and of course managed to catch covid in the process [I am still raging I got it when the vaccine is coming!)