Right, the vaccine is coming - when we get our normality back?

[Whenismumhome]

Normality as in no more masks, Perspex screens, social distancing and lockdowns etc etc - just back to normal like it was in 2019.

Surely by summer we will have some sort of normality back?

Tbf I'd blame the NHS/gp service for being so slack on vitamin d deficiency rather than the government. It should have been routinely tested for and flagged up for years. It's not like you cant buy your own supply in the shops

@IcedPurple Clinically vulnerable aren't at risk!?

We aren't going in any indoor places and that will continue until Im vaccinated. However my kids are in school, so the higher the population with it the higher risk I am at getting it indirectly.

I haveblived most of this year in fear of leaving the kids motherless, especially since september.

[quote PineappleUpsideDownCake]@IcedPurple Clinically vulnerable aren't at risk!?

We aren't going in any indoor places and that will continue until Im vaccinated. However my kids are in school, so the higher the population with it the higher risk I am at getting it indirectly.

I haveblived most of this year in fear of leaving the kids motherless, especially since september.[/quote]
How am I supposed to know that you're clinically vulnerable? All you said in your post was that you were well down the vaccination priority list.

Obviously if you feel you need to continue to take precautions you should continue to do so. However, most of us will be hoping for a return to normal as soon as possible.

No 6 on the vaccination list is those who are clinically vulnerable .

And yes absolutely hoping for a retunr to normal as soon as possible. I feel like I'm holding my breath all year and will be able to breath again once it is safe!

And that's with 600 people dying from Covid every day, a lot of MP's and people still think restrictions are wrong. Those figures will likely be worse in January.

600 people are not dying every day FROM covid. People are dying WITH covid, who may we'll have been dying anyway, along with people dying several weeks after they had covid, and deaths get reported weeks after they happened.

@PineappleUpsideDownCake I'm not clinically vulnerable at all myself, I'm 32 with no health conditions. I don't care if I never get the vaccine.

It honestly makes my blood boil that younger people who are ECV or CV are not prioritised far higher for the vaccine. You should be amongst the first to get it.

I honestly think they've fucked it at every single stage of this pandemic and the vaccine priority list is sadly no exception.

@PineappleUpsideDownCake

No 6 on the vaccination list is those who are clinically vulnerable .

at no. 6 on the priority list you should hopefully be getting it before easter and so before the start of return to normality. Hhave you checked your condition is included in group 6 (the list is in Table 3 of the document)? Some conditions in the clinically vulnerable group are not included in group 6 (or at all in the priority list).

I'm in the no 6 group.... and so hoping I don't catch it before Easter.

I really don't like those people like above that argue its "with" rather than "from" covid. Many people with underlying conditins asthma/diabetes/etc and even obesity weren't at all planning on dying in the next few years from their conditions - and expecting 30-40 years left! Its a false distinction to make really.

I have watched all the interviews and concluded that in the summer mixing will probably be allowed, but they have no intention of removing social distancing in public or wearing masks etc at all or certainly within the next few years. In fact I've just watched an interview on the BBC website that suggests it all stays for up to 10 years. Not Impressed with that, I can manage for a few more months get us through the winter but come spring
summer I shall ditch the masks and pay the fines if I have to.

@Porcupineinthewaiting - long-term guidance from Public Health England is for GPs not to test for vitamin D. That was long before Covid appeared.
PHE also turned down calls for common foods to be fortified with vitamin D. There are lots of media articles and research papers going back 10 years on this.

I don't know if it's the NHS or PHE who are responsible for the paltry 400iu recommended daily dose guidance for winter. In the face of lots of research and despite the fact that the UK is the country with the lowest recommended daily dose and one of the highest levels of vitamin D deficiency, they haven't even bothered revisiting and updating that dosage guidance 10 months into a pandemic.

All this "We'll be wearing masks for the next ten years" stuff reminds me of all the "People won't want to fly again / Air travel will never recover!" stuff I remember reading post-9/11. And look how long that lasted...

@TableCat

I have watched all the interviews and concluded that in the summer mixing will probably be allowed, but they have no intention of removing social distancing in public or wearing masks etc at all or certainly within the next few years. In fact I've just watched an interview on the BBC website that suggests it all stays for up to 10 years. Not Impressed with that, I can manage for a few more months get us through the winter but come spring summer I shall ditch the masks and pay the fines if I have to.

What interview is this?

@TableCat

I have watched all the interviews and concluded that in the summer mixing will probably be allowed, but they have no intention of removing social distancing in public or wearing masks etc at all or certainly within the next few years. In fact I've just watched an interview on the BBC website that suggests it all stays for up to 10 years. Not Impressed with that, I can manage for a few more months get us through the winter but come spring summer I shall ditch the masks and pay the fines if I have to.

Oh stop with the goady scare-mongering.

You're either completely taking the piss or just trying to wind people up. Do you really think people will adhere to social distancing for a decade?

[quote DianaT1969]@Porcupineinthewaiting - long-term guidance from Public Health England is for GPs not to test for vitamin D. That was long before Covid appeared.
PHE also turned down calls for common foods to be fortified with vitamin D. There are lots of media articles and research papers going back 10 years on this.

I don't know if it's the NHS or PHE who are responsible for the paltry 400iu recommended daily dose guidance for winter. In the face of lots of research and despite the fact that the UK is the country with the lowest recommended daily dose and one of the highest levels of vitamin D deficiency, they haven't even bothered revisiting and updating that dosage guidance 10 months into a pandemic.[/quote]
I take 1000iu. Is this sufficient would you know? I know you can buy some supplements where it's 3000/4000iu but I was hesitant to take that much.

@TableCat

I have watched all the interviews and concluded that in the summer mixing will probably be allowed, but they have no intention of removing social distancing in public or wearing masks etc at all or certainly within the next few years. In fact I've just watched an interview on the BBC website that suggests it all stays for up to 10 years. Not Impressed with that, I can manage for a few more months get us through the winter but come spring summer I shall ditch the masks and pay the fines if I have to.

Oh give over!

Whole swathes of the economy - such as tourism, hospitality and entertainment - which employ millions and bring in billions of £ in tax revenue, simply cannot survive with social distancing. Many businesses have already gone to the wall. Absolutely no chance any government will enforce SD beyond the coming year at most. Hopefully most of it will have gone by summer.

Just because someone is interviewed 'on the BBC website' doesn't mean they're infalliable. But you know that, don't you?

Someone on the radio this morning said that they will be vaccinating approx 1million people per week. Population is 65m, so over a year before all have had it!

No goady scaremongering here. Just telling you what I've seen. I hate the distancing and crap just as much as everybody.
This is the chap, a screen shot from the bbc.

A dose of realism is needed here, I'm nor trying to panic anyone.
And I cried buckets when the vaccine was approved but it's not a miracle it's one step on a very long road however much we all wish for normal

[quote Bushola]@PhilCornwall1 true, but we can be quite sure it won’t be by Spring, this’ll take months to get going properly, along with inevitable delays etc.

The Van Tamm guy also let slip a lot of this stuff will go on for a long time, whilst he back tracked a bit, he’s often very honest and let’s thing slip that they don’t want known yet.[/quote]
Boris shot down JVT pretty quickly though. I think once deaths & hospitalisations really start tailing off significantly - which they will once even just the over-70s are vaccinated - JVT & SAGE will lose their relevance & influence very quickly & the politicians will reassert themselves (which is fair enough given that however annoying Boris is, he was at least elected).

@TableCat

A dose of realism is needed here, I'm nor trying to panic anyone. And I cried buckets when the vaccine was approved but it's not a miracle it's one step on a very long road however much we all wish for normal

For one there's a time limit as to how long people will comply with restrictions for 🤷‍♀️ and do you really think the tory backbenchers who are already grumbling away about restrictions will continue to support a government that keeps such draconian measures in place for years?

There will be no economy to pay for anything if that happens, so quite frankly it won't happen.

@TableCat

No goady scaremongering here. Just telling you what I've seen. I hate the distancing and crap just as much as everybody. This is the chap, a screen shot from the bbc.

But the key factors are public compliance and political will. Given obvious public fatigue already & the fact that a significant minority of government MPs are already rebelling against restrictions, I'm not overly inclined to invest in those kinds of predictions. I'm a historian by background and one of the fascinating things about the Spanish Flu - which was way worse than Covid - is the extent to which everyone just rapidly moved on. When I did a PhD specialising in early 20thc history twenty years ago the Spanish Flu wasn't thought to merit a single lecture even in modules specialising in that period - thats how forgotten it was.

@Glastonbury2020

Someone on the radio this morning said that they will be vaccinating approx 1million people per week. Population is 65m, so over a year before all have had it!

But not everyone really needs to be vaccinated. For a start, children won't be getting it, so that takes several million out of the equation. Plus, if you're under 40 or even 50 and with no relevant health conditions, then Covid is usually a mild or even asymptomatic illness (yes I know there can be exceptions to this). So once the most vulnerable are vaccinated, life should start getting back to normal.

@TableCat

No goady scaremongering here. Just telling you what I've seen. I hate the distancing and crap just as much as everybody. This is the chap, a screen shot from the bbc.

But that doesn’t say what you said it said. You have completely exaggerated and misrepresented what he actually said.

People just need to stop this shit.

@TableCat

A dose of realism is needed here, I'm nor trying to panic anyone. And I cried buckets when the vaccine was approved but it's not a miracle it's one step on a very long road however much we all wish for normal

Well if the vaccines aren't going to do it, what will?