To those not having the vaccine

[Potager]

Your choice. But before you reject it. Read the proper science behind its rapid roll out, do not listen to uneducated twats/trolls/morons on social media.

The end is in sight. Masks and social distancing will go when the rate of new infections has fallen enough and there is no risk to the NHS anymore.

Are you going to continue to wear masks and avoid people while the rest of us get back to normal?

This post is a little smug. What about all those who aren't going to be offered it for a long while yet. Hardly their choice!

@canigooutyet

Has it been confirmed that those who have the vaccine cannot transmit the virus to other people?

The Pfizer vaccine does not contain the virus. It contains a tiny mRNA sequence of the viral spike protein, so there's no virus in the vaccine to transmit

Sorry I should have clarified if they have the vaccine and contract the virus

@canigooutyet

Sorry I should have clarified if they have the vaccine and contract the virus

The Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective at preventing infection. If you are in the 5% that doesn't mount an adequate protective immune response, and you then go on to contract coronavirus,, there's no indication as far as I'm aware that you'd be unable to pass it on

It's going to take months to rattle through the people more vulnerable than me, by which time it will have died down due to the seasonal nature anyway.

The NHS website doesn't fill me with confidence.

I won’t be taking it. I just don’t know if it is safe, we don’t know what may happen down the line. I don’t feel bad about not taking it either - it’s not compulsory. Who knows what the effects may be 5, 10, 15 years later. PP who say it’s not true they aren’t safe, how can you be so sure? There haven’t been long term studies so I’m not sure where people are getting these assurances from.

I'm low priority by age and my conditions - including one that affects my cardiovascular system. I'm also low risk of spreading it with how I work and my lifestyle. I'm in no rush even with having to continue to be more isolated than most. It's not great, but it isn't much of a change from before Covid.

You are more likely to get side effects from medication such as paracetamol or ibuprofen, yet people don't think twice before downing their prescriptions.

I know this was meant to be reassuring, but having had really terrible ibuprofen reactions (I pretty much have to take it on a full stomach or I will end up in severe, shaking pain plus a few other side effects) and have a child who has a reaction to paracetamol (vomiting, pain), and my spouse was once hospitalized after just getting barely a dot of our DD's liquid antibiotic on a cut on his hand, I think this shows how some don't understand that for some of us (who are just as much people as anyone else), we do have to think through our prescriptions and medications a lot. We can look through 'the proper science' all you'd like, that and what most people can do doesn't always accurately reflect the impact on us.

I have no issue with the vaccine, but I don't think it's helpful to lump everyone who will wait for various reasons in with "uneducated twats/trolls".

I will be having it. I'm doing it for myself as there is no way of knowing how Covid would effect me and also for the wider community so that I don't make anyone else ill.
There is a concern of side effects but any medication has a long list of potential side effects and when the GP tells me to take something, I do it and hope I'm not one of those people that suffers. I feel this is all for the greater good.
However, I am pregnant so I will wait until I've had the baby (I'll be way down on the list to have it anyway). As soon as the baby pops out, they can jab me right there in the hospital!

I would rather not have the vaccine as I am a fit and healthy 51 year old with a robust immune system. I don't reach for the painkillers every time I have an ache or pain but I did have antibiotics for a nasty eye infection in September that I knew wouldn't go away on it's own

I won't have the flu jab either - why do I need it? My own immune system is doing a sterling job of keeping me healthy - I work hard to keep myself fit, my BMI is 24, my blood pressure is 118/72 and resting heart rate 56bpm. if I did catch Covid the chances of me needing medical help is very small. I live alone, children are adults and live away from home, I don't go abroad for holidays, don't go out to bars, clubs, theatres, cinemas etc and don't have many friends so the chances of me passing anything on asymptomatically is also very small.

I would much rather the dose allocated to me as someone over 50 was given to someone less lucky in health - someone who isn't able to keep themselves fit and healthy!

@Veterinari do you have any links that back up you wouldn't be able to pass it on?

Anyone got a link for the patient info leaflet?

I see what you are getting at @canigooutyet

So far I don't think there is evidence that if the vaccine protects you it means you cannot pass the virus on.
The vaccine protects you from being seriously ill with Covid but does it mean that you can't pass it on to someone else if you have come in contact with it?

It isn't that the virus passes you by but that when your body is attacked by it you can fight it off so are you still infectious at that point to someone else?

I think this will be clarified at some point but has not yet been.

And that is what will give us herd immunity

I'm frontline NHS and the vaccine cannot get here quick enough for me. Everything in life has risk attached the skill is working out what risk you are willing to take.

The lasting effects of covid are scary and more evidence of lung scarring that cannot be picked up by conventional scanning. I don't want to take that risk.

@MooseBreath

so I'd get vaccinated if I needed to in order to fly

Some countries have started to require PCR tests 72 hs prior to arrival. So let's hope people are not forced to get vaccinated in order to fly

@TheClaws

It contains a 'dead' version of the virus, not a 'live' one

The Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford vaccines do not contain either the dead or live whole virus

@SufferingFromLongLockdown

The NHS website doesn't fill me with confidence.

After you have the vaccine you can still be a carried of the virus so will still have to protect those who have not had the vaccine yet!?!

I’m happy to have the vaccine but I probably won’t because I highly doubt my GP surgery will get its act together to offer me the vaccine at any time.
I’m still waiting to be invited for my first nhs smear and I’m 41...
I’ll probably have to wait until I’m over 65 and/or organise the vaccine myself privately if possible, like everything else.

@Potager with respect some of us are well use to critiquing research, and well experienced in drug protocols, for that reason as an ECV person, I will not be having this vaccine until peer reviewed evidence following proper research and study, and formal regulation has been approved, but rushed through using emergency powers based off inaccurate statistics.

@tootyfruitypickle

The risk of your child getting cancer by the age of 20 is 1 in 300 (approx).

Risk of narcolepsy from the swine flu jab 1 in a million.

Perspective matters

Can you direct me to the evidence you are using here? I worked in A&E during SARS, and I can assure you I treated a lot of SARS patients which kind of contradicts your figures?

It’s a tough one

If you tell my 82 year old mother that she can stop wearing masks and have her friends round if she has it, she’ll be interested

Otherwise she’s not terribly bothered and might feel her vax is better going to someone who really wants it

@BiBabbles

I'm low priority by age and my conditions - including one that affects my cardiovascular system. I'm also low risk of spreading it with how I work and my lifestyle. I'm in no rush even with having to continue to be more isolated than most. It's not great, but it isn't much of a change from before Covid.

You are more likely to get side effects from medication such as paracetamol or ibuprofen, yet people don't think twice before downing their prescriptions.

I know this was meant to be reassuring, but having had really terrible ibuprofen reactions (I pretty much have to take it on a full stomach or I will end up in severe, shaking pain plus a few other side effects) and have a child who has a reaction to paracetamol (vomiting, pain), and my spouse was once hospitalized after just getting barely a dot of our DD's liquid antibiotic on a cut on his hand, I think this shows how some don't understand that for some of us (who are just as much people as anyone else), we do have to think through our prescriptions and medications a lot. We can look through 'the proper science' all you'd like, that and what most people can do doesn't always accurately reflect the impact on us.

I have no issue with the vaccine, but I don't think it's helpful to lump everyone who will wait for various reasons in with "uneducated twats/trolls".

I'm with you there! I've had too many nearly fatal reactions to a lot of things....

After you have the vaccine you can still be a carried of the virus so will still have to protect those who have not had the vaccine yet!?!
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So really there's only benefit to vulnerable people from having the vaccine!

@SufferingFromLongLockdown

* After you have the vaccine you can still be a carried of the virus so will still have to protect those who have not had the vaccine yet!?! * So really there's only benefit to vulnerable people from having the vaccine!

At the moment it seems that way however the more people that have the vaccine and therefore do not get seriously ill from Covid-19 are then not taking up beds in hospitals so others can use them including the many people that I think aren't getting suitable treatment at the moment for things other than Covid-19.

I also think maybe there is the possibility that even if they can still transmit they are contagious for less time? I don't know.

I don't want to have a vaccine for a disease that there's a 99.9% chance I'll survive. Especially one for which the long term impacts are unknown. I say that as someone who has otherwise been vaccinated, who has vaccinated her children, who gets the flu jab each year and works as a GP. And only 1/5 of the partners at my practice have said they'd get the vaccine.

@Potager

It is clear now there are no serious side effects. Vaccines are pretty safe. You are more likely to get side effects from medication such as paracetamol or ibuprofen, yet people don't think twice before downing their prescriptions.

Have you ever known anyone who has been affected by a vaccine? I would genuinely educate yourself on some of the vaccine issues generally.

I am a pro-vaxxer, always have been. However, I have been told by actual medical professionals I cannot have certain vaccines. Whilst we shouldn't scare people into not having it we SHOULD be armed with all of the right information and questions on this.

I have already been told I cannot have a live Covid vaccine due to an autoimmune condition I have. This was by actual medical professionals.

I feel like I am wading in right now on a lot of these vaccination threads, but seriously please don't hoist judgement on people re having/not having it. Encourage people to speak to medical professionals about their concerns, not articles on the internet.