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To those not having the vaccine

144 replies

Potager · 02/12/2020 09:18

Your choice. But before you reject it. Read the proper science behind its rapid roll out, do not listen to uneducated twats/trolls/morons on social media.

The end is in sight. Masks and social distancing will go when the rate of new infections has fallen enough and there is no risk to the NHS anymore.

Are you going to continue to wear masks and avoid people while the rest of us get back to normal?

OP posts:
BestWatcherInTheUnit · 02/12/2020 14:06

According to the priority list published by the government today, if you are pregnant or TTC you are not supposed to have the vaccine

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940396/Priority_groups_for_coronavirus__COVID-19__vaccination_-_advice_from_the_JCVI__2_December_2020.pdf

Seems a bit odd as you are encouraged to get the flu vaccine in pregnancy. Appears to be down to lack of data at the moment, but maybe they will change the guidance

TheDailyCarbuncle · 02/12/2020 14:28

@Lipz

Yes, I will take it, mainly because of these reasons.
  1. Two people here with underlying conditions that could die if they contracted covid and I don't want to be the one to cause this.
  1. Best friend died from covid who was early 40s and had absolutely no health issues whatsoever. Watching her young kids scream putting her in the grave will haunt me forever.
  1. Five relations died from covid who had no health conditions, the oldest being early 60s youngest being early 30s.
  1. Two relations died from covid who had mild underlying health conditions, I actually communicated with them via ipad, seeing how bad they were makes me never want to contract it ever.
  1. One sil had covid, she is suffering long term, she still has no taste or smell, 7 months later. Her hair is falling out and she has very visible bald patches on her head. Her breathing is very bad and can't take deep breaths without coughing and chest pains. She constantly has headaches and she is very fatigued. She also is being treated for depression which she never had.
You should bring your case to the attention of a research group because the chances of all that happening in one cluster are so astronomically tiny (I mean so tiny that it's almost entirely impossible) that there must be something else going on - a genetic condition, a pollutant - that increased the risk. The chance of you even knowing that many people who died, never mind being close to/related to so many of them is practically zero. It would make a really interesting case, to find out what made you of all people the centre of such devastation, when there are millions upon millions of people 80+, with multiple health conditions, who not only survived covid, but barely suffered with it at all.
MooseBreath · 02/12/2020 14:35

I'm 29. Not an anti-vaxxer. Won't be given one for ages.

I worry about long-term effects, as I am young and have (hopefully) 5 or 6 decades left to live, so long-term effects would be detrimental for a very long time, despite me not being at risk if I contracted Covid in the first place.

My family live in Canada though, so I'd get vaccinated if I needed to in order to fly. Not being able to see family for the foreseeable future is horrendous.

TheGoodEnoughWife · 02/12/2020 15:30

I agree with the above that it is unhelpful to label people who don't want the vaccine as stupid or selfish.

The reality is there are no actual long term research into this particular vaccine. Now, it may be that this vaccine is super close to others so there is a predictable result/or research into short term reactions to this vaccine and what they main mean long term.

But it is okay for people to challenge that and choose not if they so wish. People must have autonomy around their own body.

I have concerns but I have a daughter abroad and I really want to go and see her so that will probably swing it for me if it means I can fly.

The thing with this virus is that there is around a 99.7% survival rate. That is pretty high!

Understanding is much better than condemnation. A bit of empathy for why others might reach a decision would go a long way. Not everyone's lived experience is the same.

Lipz · 02/12/2020 19:46

TheDailyCarbuncle

You should bring your case to the attention of a research group because the chances of all that happening in one cluster are so astronomically tiny (I mean so tiny that it's almost entirely impossible) that there must be something else going on - a genetic condition, a pollutant - that increased the risk. The chance of you even knowing that many people who died, never mind being close to/related to so many of them is practically zero. It would make a really interesting case, to find out what made you of all people the centre of such devastation, when there are millions upon millions of people 80+, with multiple health conditions, who not only survived covid, but barely suffered with it at all

It's not one cluster, there was 2 on my mother's side, 1 on my father's side, and 2 on dh's mother side and 2 on his father's side. We come from a long line of large families. It's not a genetic condition. Half these people never met each other.

BooseysMom · 02/12/2020 20:08

However, as a secondary teacher I’m worried that teachers are being hung out to dry again. Kids aren’t going to get it because they tend to get it mildly or be asymptomatic. Not helpful to staff.

Agreed. DH is a secondary teacher and feels the same. His first teaching post and this happens! Pupils he has taught have tested positive and are self isolating and he isn't allowed to...how is that fair?!

Ethelfleda · 02/12/2020 20:23

I’m going to assume that, being at the back of the queue (healthy 30- something) I will probably be offered the Oxford one? I’ll just take it to be honest.
I trust the scientists.

Figmentofmyimagination · 02/12/2020 20:28

How long does immunity last? Does it at least last 12 months?

Ethelfleda · 02/12/2020 20:33

@Figmentofmyimagination

How long does immunity last? Does it at least last 12 months?
They don’t know yet I don’t think.
Passmeabottlemrjones · 02/12/2020 20:41

You should bring your case to the attention of a research group because the chances of all that happening in one cluster are so astronomically tiny (I mean so tiny that it's almost entirely impossible) that there must be something else going on - a genetic condition, a pollutant - that increased the risk. The chance of you even knowing that many people who died, never mind being close to/related to so many of them is practically zero. It would make a really interesting case, to find out what made you of all people the centre of such devastation, when there are millions upon millions of people 80+, with multiple health conditions, who not only survived covid, but barely suffered with it at all.

I was just thinking that very thing when I read that post!!!!

gypsywater · 02/12/2020 20:45

I'm a NHS clinician but TTC so wont be having it

OpheliasCrayon · 02/12/2020 20:51

@Potager

Your choice. But before you reject it. Read the proper science behind its rapid roll out, do not listen to uneducated twats/trolls/morons on social media.

The end is in sight. Masks and social distancing will go when the rate of new infections has fallen enough and there is no risk to the NHS anymore.

Are you going to continue to wear masks and avoid people while the rest of us get back to normal?

I'm not having it. I react too dangerously to most meds and vaccines, so a new vaccine is more risky to me than covid. My doctors agree. I'm CEV and have had covid and it was extremely mild so there's no point playing Russian roulette with a vaccine when meds have nearly killed me in the past or at the least ended me in hospital. I react so badly to medications that I can no longer treat the seriously chronic illnesses I have as the risk of trying new things is too great.

Does my reason meet your very patronising post OP? I hope so

Michaelschofield · 02/12/2020 21:32

@Baaaahhhhh I do not agree with your view at all . @BernardsarenotalwaysSaints if your comment is in relation to me, I definitely will not be having the vaccine . Good luck to those having it , let’s hope there’s no long term issues for you .

Unsure33 · 03/12/2020 00:11

To all you who don’t want it for any reason ,great , more people who do want it will get vaccinated .

@Lipz

🌹

I lost an aunt and an uncle within 7 days and had to arrange funeral and even if you are elderly I would not wish that death on anyone .

Unsure33 · 03/12/2020 00:14

@TheDailyCarbuncle

Just picking figures out of the air is a rubbish argument . And you should try using your brain before posting something like that to someone who has suffered loss.

HeddaGarbled · 03/12/2020 00:21

Don’t stress about the people who don’t want it. The fewer people above us in the priority list who take it, the sooner we’ll get it 🙂

canigooutyet · 03/12/2020 00:42

I asked this on another thread, but noone knew so asking here

Do we know if those who have had the vaccine also get Long Covid?

All I can find is with the vaccine symptoms are milder if you then go onto get CV.

CoffeeCreamandSugar · 03/12/2020 00:55

In a couple of years I don’t think this will be such a big deal. Vulnerable people will be vaccinated, and those that can afford to pay for it like the flu vaccination... everyone else will just get on with it.

CoffeeCreamandSugar · 03/12/2020 00:58

I’m also unlikely to be offered it anytime soon.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 03/12/2020 01:10

@TheDailyCarbuncle

I won't be offered the vaccine any time soon - I'm under 40 with no underlying conditions and therefore the risk to me personally is practically zero. There's simply no point in money being wasted vaccinating people like me and I won't take the vaccine away from people who actually need it.
You won't be offered it until no one more needy gets offered it.

The risk to you is not practically zero. Take a look at the young women who died & the others who are suffering from long Covid. Previously fit & healthy.

You being vaccinated will help to protect others who are unable to get the vaccine.

Obviously it's your choice, but it's
definitely not a waste of a vaccination

canigooutyet · 03/12/2020 01:12

Has it been confirmed that those who have the vaccine cannot transmit the virus to other people?

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 03/12/2020 01:14

@BernardsarenotalwaysSaints

Well I'm 32 so I'm unlikely to be offered one for a loooong time.

My 89yo Grandmother is undecided. She does has the flu vaccine every year but regarding the Covid vaccine, in her words she "can't really see the point when I'll be dead within decade or thereabouts either way". She's of the opinion that there a people who will gain more from getting it than she would. I've encouraged her to talk to her gp but I'm not going to put any further pressure on her, I'm fairly certain that at 89 she's grown up enough to make her own decisions! My point being there are reasons, other than being 'Anti Vaccs', that people may decline.

Has she considered that the way you die with Covid might not be the the most pleasant way to die? Or that she might pass it to care/HNS staff?

It's everyone's right to refuse it, obviously, but there may be things people haven't considered.

TheClaws · 03/12/2020 04:12

@canigooutyet

Has it been confirmed that those who have the vaccine cannot transmit the virus to other people?
It contains a 'dead' version of the virus, not a 'live' one. It cannot transmit or shed the virus to anyone else. In any case, 'shedding' is really an anti-vax fantasy. It's infinitesimally rare in the real world.
Sobeyondthehills · 03/12/2020 05:10

Those that haven't been vaccinated (through choice) will find their freedoms continue to be limited, eg no foreign travel, no theatres, concerts, possibly even some bars and restaurants (I expect that covid restrictions will be allowed to be dropped if the premises agree to check vaccine status of customers, otherwise, covid restrictions remain at least for the duration of 2021 and early 2022).

I won't be having it, but due to lockdown myself and I am sure millions of others won't be bothered about being refused entry into these places as we can't afford them. Just goes to widen the gap

tara66 · 03/12/2020 05:29

Its going to take months and months to get it anyway because of the logistics.