To those not having the vaccine

[Potager]

Your choice. But before you reject it. Read the proper science behind its rapid roll out, do not listen to uneducated twats/trolls/morons on social media.

The end is in sight. Masks and social distancing will go when the rate of new infections has fallen enough and there is no risk to the NHS anymore.

Are you going to continue to wear masks and avoid people while the rest of us get back to normal?

I don't know why you are assuming that people who are going to refuse the vaccine are listening to "uneducated twats/trolls/morons on social media" and don't have valid reasons of their own?

I have autoimmunity and allergies, and am simply concerned that this vaccine could trigger other autoimmune conditions or worsen what I have. The keyword is 'could'. Until more data is rolled out that shows this isn't happening in people with autoimmunity, then I reserve the right to be cautious and not take the vaccine. This doesn't mean I will always refuse it. I just feel right now there's not enough data.

No way will I have this vaccine for a virus with a near 💯 survival rate . it doesn’t make sense. if people have their vaccines and they work, why the concern for people who don’t want it?

My dsis isn't taking it for the same reasons as PP.

I don;t think those of us who are critical of anti vaxxers are meaning those with auto immune or who are (reasonably) worried about allergic reactions.

Which means that all of us who can have it - should - to protect those who can't

@tootyfruitypickle There was narcolepsy from swine flue vaccination.

I have an autoimmune disease, am breastfeeding and TTC.

It’s not for me, in the short term anyway.

However, as a secondary teacher I’m worried that teachers are being hung out to dry again. Kids aren’t going to get it because they tend to get it mildly or be asymptomatic. Not helpful to staff.

@Michaelschofield

No way will I have this vaccine for a virus with a near 💯 survival rate . it doesn’t make sense. if people have their vaccines and they work, why the concern for people who don’t want it?

It's not concern, it's annoyance!

Because even if you survive, which you probably will, if you happen to be poorly when you get it, you end up in hospital, and you being there, denies others treatment for everything else going on.

Swine flu risk was 1 in 52,000 for those under 20.

apparently that's 19 children in every million who received the jab.... It's no longer given to children.

This one is only licensed for over 18s

The risk of your child getting cancer by the age of 20 is 1 in 300 (approx).

Risk of narcolepsy from the swine flu jab 1 in a million.

Perspective matters

@Michaelschofield

No way will I have this vaccine for a virus with a near 💯 survival rate . it doesn’t make sense. if people have their vaccines and they work, why the concern for people who don’t want it?

I can’t believe this far into the pandemic there are people who don’t understand the basics of herd immunity.

Not everyone can have the vaccine. No vaccine is 100% effective in everyone who has it.
Therefore some people will always remain unprotected through no fault of their own and the only way to protect them is to prevent circulation in the general community by achieving the highest vaccine coverage we can.

Moreover this a disease which causes severe long term effects in many people who have had it mildly as well as those who have had it severely. It’s not the case that if you survive you will definitely go back to normal and be fine.

Whatever, you make your own choices, but fgs do so based on a bit of knowledge of the facts.

or 19 in a million missed the 9 !

&@tootyfruitypickle but it's an example of side effect that present itself later on. Nobody knows what this new vaccine can cause. I rather wait and see.

Yes, I will take it, mainly because of these reasons.

1. Two people here with underlying conditions that could die if they contracted covid and I don't want to be the one to cause this.

1. Best friend died from covid who was early 40s and had absolutely no health issues whatsoever. Watching her young kids scream putting her in the grave will haunt me forever.

1. Five relations died from covid who had no health conditions, the oldest being early 60s youngest being early 30s.

1. Two relations died from covid who had mild underlying health conditions, I actually communicated with them via ipad, seeing how bad they were makes me never want to contract it ever.

1. One sil had covid, she is suffering long term, she still has no taste or smell, 7 months later. Her hair is falling out and she has very visible bald patches on her head. Her breathing is very bad and can't take deep breaths without coughing and chest pains. She constantly has headaches and she is very fatigued. She also is being treated for depression which she never had.

Despite the massive effort they’ve put into developing the vaccines, it seems not much effort has been put into researching natural immunity and this annoys me.

I had covid in October. As a healthy 40 year old I felt a bit under the weather for 3 days with a headache and low energy but I have honestly felt worse with a hangover. Why on earth do I need a vaccine for something I know makes me less ill than a hangover? And why would this coronavirus be any different to all other viruses in that you wouldn’t become immune to it after catching and surviving it? Apart from the fact I agree that it will naturally burn itself out soon, I believe I have already joined the “herd” immunity wise and so the vaccine is pointless.

I'd much rather have a vaccine than have to keep wearing a mask and having to faff about booking every trip and not able to be spontaneous.

DH should have his first dose before Xmas. It's fantastic news.

Don’t misunderstand me, however, I am all for anyone vulnerable or even anyone who hasn’t yet had covid and so doesn’t know how they will react to go ahead and get the vaccine as soon as it’s available. It’s just not for me.

Can you really blame others like me who are TTC so don't want it yet?

I'm the most pro vaccine there is, but I'd prefer to wait until after having another baby. I'd be more inclined to take the Oxford one if I'm still TTC.

How can you say OP that it's clear that there are no serious side effects?
Nobody can claim this now esspecially not when it comes to long term side effects.

Also, using the argument that 'vaccines are safe' is not really fair. You can't compare a completely new vaccine that has been developed very recently, to those that have been around for years and have proven to be completely safe for most people in the long term (and that I'm happy to accept, I think I've had more then 90% of the population due to lots of travelling).
So I'm getting really annoyed when people like you are trying to convince me that when someone who's not completely convinced that they want to accept a completely new vaccine are therefor some sort of hardcore anti vaxxers . We thankfully still have the right to be critical of what goes into our bodies and to compare the possible dangerous side effects of a new vaccine to one of the eldest painkillers in the world that is so safe that it's even sold without a prescription, is complete nonsense in my opinion.

I think my problem is with people not realising this is for the good of society (globally!). It’s not just about your own risk . I really find this attitude quite shocking .

I don't know why you are assuming that people who are going to refuse the vaccine are listening to "uneducated twats/trolls/morons on social media" and don't have valid reasons of their own?

Yes, I find this a very judgemental and goady opening from the OP, typical of the self-righteous behaviour we’ve seen here this year.

Baaaahhhhh I think, when it comes to it, she will have it.

I am worried about side effects that don't present themselves straight away.

I'm more worried about the side effects of covid that don't present themselves right away! The Oxford vaccine is based on existing technology, so we have a good idea of its long term effects. Covid has been around for a year - we don't have a clue what it does to us long term. Ever heard of SSPE? It's a complication of measles that kills you years after you appear to have recovered.

@ILookAtTheFloor

Can you really blame others like me who are TTC so don't want it yet?

I'm the most pro vaccine there is, but I'd prefer to wait until after having another baby. I'd be more inclined to take the Oxford one if I'm still TTC.

What are the problems with TTC and the vaccine? only asking as I am planning to start trying soon, and will be having the vaccine in the meantime

@CrunchyCarrot

I don't know why you are assuming that people who are going to refuse the vaccine are listening to "uneducated twats/trolls/morons on social media" and don't have valid reasons of their own?

I have autoimmunity and allergies, and am simply concerned that this vaccine could trigger other autoimmune conditions or worsen what I have. The keyword is 'could'. Until more data is rolled out that shows this isn't happening in people with autoimmunity, then I reserve the right to be cautious and not take the vaccine. This doesn't mean I will always refuse it. I just feel right now there's not enough data.

I find this a lot in my job. People who chose to decline something are often labelled as uneducated but I tend to find the opposite to be true. People who decline generally do so because they have read in to something deeply and genuinely understand what they are being offered. Obviously some people who accept are the same, but some just accept because they don't question anything.