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MHRA approves Pfizer jab for use in UK

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AuntieStella · 02/12/2020 07:05

News just breaking on BBC

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AuntieStella · 02/12/2020 07:40

Hancock said this is being done at UK (not devolved) basis.

Vaccine to be distributed via 3 means: in hospitals, in hubs and in the community (GP/pharmacy

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DobbyTheHouseElk · 02/12/2020 07:41

It was hoped that the vaccine would have been here a few weeks ago, so everything is in place.

notevenat20 · 02/12/2020 07:42

People in care homes are getting it first. NHS staff second. If we want to stop people dying that is the right way round in my view.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 02/12/2020 07:42

I think this is fantastic news. I do wish people going on about it being rushed would stop the conspiracy crap. It hasn’t been rushed it was already well underdevelopment (lots of coronaviruses around) but had huge funding thrown at it to allow development to continue without all the usual financing issues - drug development is bloody expensive.

ThornAmongstRoses · 02/12/2020 07:44

NHS staff will take it I’m sure.

On the ward I work on, staff in general are not keen at all to have the vaccine. Maybe it’s because we don’t work with Covid patients though.

How come?

For the same reason many, many, many people across the country won’t want it.

Just because we are nurses doesn’t mean our minds and brains work differently to anyone else’s.

As another poster said, a very small amount of doctors would get the vaccine too.

Fifthtimelucky · 02/12/2020 07:44

This is such good news. What a great start to the day.

I've also had the good news that my student daughter has tested negative so I can go and bring her home.

rosie1959 · 02/12/2020 07:45

To those who dont want it fine just move over quietly plenty willing to take your place
The virus will be happy it's got to have somewhere to go

Frequentflier · 02/12/2020 07:45

My husband has Type 2 diabetes and we are Asian. Would it be safe to assume he could be vaccinated by April maybe? Assuming all goes well. I don't know c much about this.

Iris1600 · 02/12/2020 07:46

Fantastic news to start the day with

MarshaBradyo · 02/12/2020 07:46

Just because we are nurses doesn’t mean our minds and brains work differently to anyone else’s.

Except demand is huge amongst other groups.

I reckon people administering it will be working long hours to deal with this. If people opt out well meh. It’ll go down the list faster. People can start to engage in life good. Others want to hide away fine.

purplefig · 02/12/2020 07:46

@JustHereWithMyPopcorn
Yeah!! Bloody BMJ with their tinfoil hats.

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

ThornAmongstRoses · 02/12/2020 07:50

To those who dont want it fine just move over quietly plenty willing to take your place
The virus will be happy it's got to have somewhere to go

The impression I get is that the people who don’t want it are those who are very low risk of harm/death anyway so would rather take their chances with the virus.

Everybody has the freedom of choice.

I’m very glad though that the vaccine is out there now for all the people who have been desperate for one to arrive for many months. For a lot of people it’s bought relief and a new hope to their life and that is obviously a wonderful thing. I imagine it’s a lifeline for many.

Ringading7 · 02/12/2020 07:51

[quote purplefig]@JustHereWithMyPopcorn
Yeah!! Bloody BMJ with their tinfoil hats.

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425[/quote]
This is an editorial. That means it’s an opinion, which hasn’t been peer reviewed...

Sertchgi123 · 02/12/2020 07:52

Fantastic news 🎉🎉🎉

NoSquirrels · 02/12/2020 07:52

[quote purplefig]@MarshaBradyo or have a read of this from well known conspiracy theorists, the British medical journal:

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037[/quote]
I’ve just read this and it’s not made me worried about the vaccine. The thrust of it is as per the headline, that it’s basically impossible on this timescale to design a vaccine that is definitely going to save lives in the specific highest risk groups, and that there’s no guarantee on a wider level that it will significantly reduce hospital admissions. But they are pretty confident based on similar flu vaccine outcomes that this will for the case, so they’re pushing ahead with the trials the way they were designed.

But the truth is that the science remains far from clear cut, even for influenza vaccines that have been used for decades. Although randomised trials have shown an effect in reducing the risk of symptomatic influenza, such trials have never been conducted in elderly people living in the community to see whether they save lives.

And yet elderly people get flu vaccines every year because we believe that it does help, despite lack of official trials.

That article didn’t make me think it was unsafe. Just that designing trials is an art in itself to get the results you need.

Everlastingyes · 02/12/2020 07:53

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Ifailed · 02/12/2020 07:54

The vaccine is manufactured and stored in Belgium
Oh dear , so after the 31st it will stuck on the French border as customs argue over whether they have the right pieces of paper.

CordeliaCroft · 02/12/2020 07:55

Fantastic news!!

tortoiseshell1985 · 02/12/2020 07:56

@TheKeatingFive

I imagine there’ll be a reasonable amount of peer pressure in the nhs for workers to get it.
I hope so. It's sad NHS professionals on here saying they won't have it
elastamum · 02/12/2020 07:56

If you read the BMJ editorial it says the studies were designed the same way flu studies are and aren't designed to look at deaths, which would take years to run or transmission which is logistically very complicated to do. So they have used a proven trial model, which is good enough for me. Stop scaremongering. The BMJ does not criticise the pharma companies, it just points out the limits of their study design. That's how science works.

AuntieStella · 02/12/2020 07:56

The BMJ letter is about the politics and and economics of a pandemic, and how corruption could creep in. The procurement chain is part of this, and the letter contains a specific example of circumstances surrounding a contract which give grounds for concern.

Vaccine procurement isn't the same, as there simply isn't a range to choose from or a manufacturer to favour. The question becomes a straight one of safety.

@purplefig - you have insinuated that MHRA members are corrupt, and have linked a letter talking about corruption. Please would you expand on who you think is acting improperly on this?

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LemonTT · 02/12/2020 07:56

@MarshaBradyo

Just because we are nurses doesn’t mean our minds and brains work differently to anyone else’s.

Except demand is huge amongst other groups.

I reckon people administering it will be working long hours to deal with this. If people opt out well meh. It’ll go down the list faster. People can start to engage in life good. Others want to hide away fine.

It’s best to just ignore the claims on behalf of NHS about this. It’s a strategy on the part of people with an agenda. It’s not backed up by the known demand that is already there.

The call out to hospital staff started last week in the trusts that get the first supply. There is overwhelming demand.

purplefig · 02/12/2020 07:56

The virus will be happy it's got to have somewhere to go

As far as I’m aware it doesn’t stop you getting covid...it stops the symptoms.

More info - www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccines-may-prevent-disease-but-not-infection/65-f65cb7ee-24dc-48d0-bc08-8cfb3423a3b6

User158340 · 02/12/2020 07:57

A good start but this one is logistically very difficult to roll out.

Oxford is the key.

GlacindaTheTroll · 02/12/2020 07:58

"Oh dear , so after the 31st it will stuck on the French border as customs argue over whether they have the right pieces of paper"

Why would it need to go through France, when it could easily be flown over (by RAF if necessary) direct from Belgium?