MHRA approves Pfizer jab for use in UK

[AuntieStella]

News just breaking on BBC

@PrivateD00r

Ah so it is only NHS staff who should be coerced into getting vaccinated to protect patients, but not vice versa. Got you.

Yes. The public haven't signed up to do their best to protect the health of NHS staff. The NHS clinical staff DO sign up to further and protect the health of the public. It's on our professional body's regulations!

I travel frequently for work (pre Covid days). It is a requirement of my employment that I keep my passport and vaccinations up to date.

I’m not sure if someone has already said above but I note from the product information that it is not recommended in pregnancy and it is recommended to avoid becoming pregnant until at least 2 months after the vaccine. I hope that people who receive the vaccine are made aware of that.

Yes Puzzled that's exactly what does happen! It will be especially important given the uniqueness of covid.

The people running the research do know what they are doing. They will have a longitudinal study mapped out, probably already funded and will recruit participants from across many cohorts, countries, etc.

@LadyBishyBarnaby

I’m not sure if someone has already said above but I note from the product information that it is not recommended in pregnancy and it is recommended to avoid becoming pregnant until at least 2 months after the vaccine. I hope that people who receive the vaccine are made aware of that.

Yes, don't worry, it isn't being offered to pregnant people

And similar advice is already routinely offered with vaccinations, such as rubella. It will however offer yet another problem with this pressure people want to apply to NHS staff, imagine having to say 'sorry boss, I am TTC'

I’m not one prone to dramatic reactions but I’ve had a little tear or two today. Especially at the words ‘help is on the way’.

Unfortunately, I think too many people are enjoying the consequences of covid, i.e. on furlough or doing less work due to fewer patients/customers
I think people will reconsider when they are told to get back to normal work, and hopefully, employers will be quick and insistent that staff and workplaces get back to how things were immediately before covid

Strange you should mention that - there's a Facebook page for furloughed LA staff around here, where most have been insisting that work is dangerous and that there's no way they can return until vaccinated
Only now it's been approved sooner than expected they're mostly insisting they can't possibly risk having it

Odd, that ...

‘My grandma has just been given covid by a nurse in her rehab unit’

How on earth do you know who transmitted it? What an utterly bizarre assertion to make with such certainty.

confused How on earth do you know who transmitted it? What an utterly bizarre assertion to make with such certainty

Because my grandma has only seen staff and not residents due to being ill (not covid related, a pre existing condition) for the past couple of weeks. She repeatedly tested negative for covid. All the staff tested negative aside from one, who had had dealings with my grandma the previous day. Grandma tested again and then positive. THAT'S how we know with certainty.

I am not sure why it's a bizarre assertion @Retiremental? Even the rehab unit have accepted that the staff member has infected several patients (completely innocently, as she was asymptomatic).

PrivateD00r - I wouldn’t expect it to be given to pregnant women intentionally, my concern is that women need to be aware that they should not get pregnant for at least 2 months afterwards, so they will need to be told that, as people often don’t read patient information leaflets or are not given them after vaccinations. As you have said, its also potentially an issue for NHS, or care-home staff, having to disclose that they are TTC, or maybe in the very early stages of pregnancy too.

I appreciate that it’s the same with rubella and other vaccinations but they are potentially given to a lot less people at any one time.

@SirChing

I am not sure why it's a bizarre assertion *@Retiremental*? Even the rehab unit have accepted that the staff member has infected several patients (completely innocently, as she was asymptomatic).

Does the staff member know that her medical information and that of her colleagues in being shared?

Does the staff member know that her medical information and that of her colleagues in being shared?

If it is only one nurse on the unit and I guess he/she is now isolating it's not rocket science to know who it is. No one would have to share anything.

Does the staff member know that her medical information and that of her colleagues in being shared?

I have absolutely no idea. But "nameless member of staff has tested positive, unaware they were asymptomatic" is hardly identifying!

And only one staff member seems to be off sick, so it's not tricky to establish who it is. Why do you ask @Retiremental ?

The EMA have criticised the speed in which the vaccine was approved in the UK. Haven’t seen this mentioned and there’s barely any coverage on MSM, after hearing it reported on BBC Radio 2 news this afternoon.

uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-eu-idUKKBN28C1B9

[quote 2X4B523P]The EMA have criticised the speed in which the vaccine was approved in the UK. Haven’t seen this mentioned and there’s barely any coverage on MSM, after hearing it reported on BBC Radio 2 news this afternoon.

uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-eu-idUKKBN28C1B9[/quote]
I’d be interested in hearing for people more in the know but from what I’ve heard it is not an issue.

June Raine, the head of Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), said, “The way in which the MHRA has worked is equivalent to all international standards.

And if so it’s not their place.

MHRA have used the emergency approval procedure

EMA are using the standard one

Neither is wrong - and as these people were all in the same agency until extremely recently, I’d be amazed if there had been any significant divergence of standards this early

The EMA statement seemed to me to be more to head off criticism within EU as to why it’s process is slower

As it expects to make its ruling before end Dec, I think we’ll see if they reach a different verdict we’ll before most of us get near a vaccine

@LadyBishyBarnaby

I’m not sure if someone has already said above but I note from the product information that it is not recommended in pregnancy and it is recommended to avoid becoming pregnant until at least 2 months after the vaccine. I hope that people who receive the vaccine are made aware of that.

The advice to delay for two months is extremely over cautious in my (professional) opinion

I think the default stance is caution when it comes to pregnancy

Is there a full ingredients list for the vaccine? Along with many people I'm allergic to certain vaccines (can't have flu jab) so I'd need to know what's in it before I even consider it.

It feels quite emotional. Just watching the news brief.
Disappointing to see anti vaxxers out in force.