Can you meet in a cafe or restaurant with people not in your household

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In tier two? I think not However a family member is arguing with me that you can.

A local pub/restaurant has these. Do they count as inside or outside?

My dn has a birthday in Dec. Sil has booked a table of 8 with 3 households. The pub just said 'if anyone asks day yours same household /support bubble !

OP I hope you don’t mind if I add a question in case people know

I do care for mum. Am I allowed a social bubble separately?

I live alone.

@AcornAutumn do you mean a bubble in addition to your mum? I can't imagine anyone objecting unless you mean you want to go out and about with your mum too. If you're only caring for her and not socialising out and about with her then I'm sure you could choose someone to socialise with too. You defo deserve it

[quote Looneytune253]@AcornAutumn do you mean a bubble in addition to your mum? I can't imagine anyone objecting unless you mean you want to go out and about with your mum too. If you're only caring for her and not socialising out and about with her then I'm sure you could choose someone to socialise with too. You defo deserve it [/quote]
Thanks

My understanding is that care is separate

In March, I also had to do some care for an 85 year old neighbour.

So I thought that care might possibly be completely separate.

It’s so hard to understand the law. My sister also did care for mum after a medical procedure, but she’s not the regular - I am. So my sister is in a bubble with a family she is friends with, but we judged that care thing to be an emergency- I’d already had three days off work for it.

@Sparklingbrook difficult to know from the picture, but the rule in other areas, so presumably here is 50% of the walls not enclosed, so I think that would be indoors via the law, but I imagine outdoors based on any enforcement...

Sparklingbrook - even if those count as outside, the seats are definitely not 2m apart, so you shouldn't be sitting with someone outside your household that close anyway, even outside. I've seen lots of local pubs investing in things like this that shouldn't really be allowed.

Ah, actually I see the sides are open slatted, not enclosed, so I suspect now outdoors, but difficult to guess from the picture.

the seats are definitely not 2m apart, so you shouldn't be sitting with someone outside your household that close anyway

This has not been in any law though.

It's an amazing place and the food is excellent but i don't want to go back there until everything is more 'normal'.

According to my local pub, you can have multiple households together if you're "business dining"

We are re-opening from Wednesday 2nd Decemberr_ and are looking forward to welcoming you back responsibly. In line with the new Tier 2 regulations, we are only able to host drinks with food. We are welcoming bookings inside from one household and their extended bubble and multiple households for business dining.

Im having chrisrmas lunch in a restaurant this year (tier 2) and this year just one household so hope it will still be allowed

@Jenasaurus

Im having chrisrmas lunch in a restaurant this year (tier 2) and this year just one household so hope it will still be allowed

That’s interesting I was wondering if any places would be open on Xmas day because it might not make £ sense for them.

@Sparklingbrook. I'm guessing they'll get away with that as 'outdoors', but do you really want to be that enclosed? You'd be very vulnerable to getting Covid if you friend has it.

acornautumn that may be the case. I will need to check to see if its still opening as planned. Otherwise I will need to make sure I get food in to cook at home

[quote WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants]@Sparklingbrook. I'm guessing they'll get away with that as 'outdoors', but do you really want to be that enclosed? You'd be very vulnerable to getting Covid if you friend has it.[/quote]
Yes I agree, it's all very close together and not really in the spirit of the rules if you don't live together.

But I acknowledge how these places have to at least try to do something to keep going during this. I hope they get booked up by families that live together etc and nobody tries to pull a fast one.

I thought it has always been you should social distance if you are mixing households unless you are in a bubble.

The onus shouldn't be on hospitality venues to determine whether you are a household or not, but each persons own responsibility to abide by the rules. Why would someone wilfully disobey and put themselves and others and the venue at risk? Would anyone happily drink a bottle of wine then go for a drive? It's illegal, it puts other people's lives at risk too. Oh but you may also loose your license, which seems more of a deterrent than anything else.
It's not hard to follow the rules - yes some seem illogical but for the time being that's the way it is. I just do not understand why some people think they are being clever by cheating the system.

@Pipandmum

The onus shouldn't be on hospitality venues to determine whether you are a household or not, but each persons own responsibility to abide by the rules. Why would someone wilfully disobey and put themselves and others and the venue at risk? Would anyone happily drink a bottle of wine then go for a drive? It's illegal, it puts other people's lives at risk too. Oh but you may also loose your license, which seems more of a deterrent than anything else. It's not hard to follow the rules - yes some seem illogical but for the time being that's the way it is. I just do not understand why some people think they are being clever by cheating the system.

I totally agree, but some people lie, and try to bend the rules to suit if they can. Just as some people drink drive.

This pandemic has proved that a lot of people don't like to be told what to do even if it's for their own safety and the health of others.

I think it puts hospitality establishments in a really tricky spot.

@ImNotCutOutForThis

My dn has a birthday in Dec. Sil has booked a table of 8 with 3 households. The pub just said 'if anyone asks day yours same household /support bubble !

There’s always one.

Why so much confusion? It’s the same as the tiers last time!

Tier 1- inside or out, maximum of 6
Tier 2- inside own household only, outside maximum of 6
Tier 3- inside and gardens own household, outside public spaces maximum of 6.

Cafes/bars/restaurants that are inside the above rules apply.

Yes it’s shit. As someone who has lived with tier 3 restrictions for ages our cafes are going out of business. As you said no-one goes for a coffee with someone they already live with!

I totally agree, but some people lie, and try to bend the rules to suit if they can. Just as some people drink drive

This is completely false equivalence, the risk from drink driving is quite different, if you want car equivalent laws what you should be comparing it with is going 23mph in a 20 zone, or leaving your car idling while you hop out to post a letter, or parking illegally 'cos it's just 15minutes.

@sirfredfredgeorge

I totally agree, but some people lie, and try to bend the rules to suit if they can. Just as some people drink drive

This is completely false equivalence, the risk from drink driving is quite different, if you want car equivalent laws what you should be comparing it with is going 23mph in a 20 zone, or leaving your car idling while you hop out to post a letter, or parking illegally 'cos it's just 15minutes.

It was @Pipandmum who brought up drink driving I was just replying to that. People shouldn't do all sorts of things but it doesn't stop them.

@Clearasmuddypuddles

Why so much confusion? It’s the same as the tiers last time!

Tier 1- inside or out, maximum of 6
Tier 2- inside own household only, outside maximum of 6
Tier 3- inside and gardens own household, outside public spaces maximum of 6.

Cafes/bars/restaurants that are inside the above rules apply.

Yes it’s shit. As someone who has lived with tier 3 restrictions for ages our cafes are going out of business. As you said no-one goes for a coffee with someone they already live with!

Yes, it’s the same tiers

But I didn’t look at the question of bubble + caring because I could meet people outside for walks. This is less feasible now.

I don’t go to pubs etc because of T&T

But I’d like to know if a recently bereaved friend, now a single household, can bubble with me.

Sadly even lawyers are unclear on the law.

@sirfredfredgeorge

I totally agree, but some people lie, and try to bend the rules to suit if they can. Just as some people drink drive

This is completely false equivalence, the risk from drink driving is quite different, if you want car equivalent laws what you should be comparing it with is going 23mph in a 20 zone, or leaving your car idling while you hop out to post a letter, or parking illegally 'cos it's just 15minutes.

But it's not is it, because the outcomes of any of those minor scenarios aren't that if thousands/millions of people do them, then the spread of a potentially fatal virus will increase. So you can't compare. I agree though it's not comparable with drink driving either.