Why can't people see that it is stupid to mix at Christmas?

[MagicSummer]

I know that the Government had to relax the rules for the 5-day period because so many people would have broken them anyway, but can people not see that mixing families, travelling and close contact is going to cause another spike in the New Year? It makes me so cross - why can't people just knuckle down and have a quiet Christmas this year without endangering the lives of their older relatives?

@Krampusnacht

Everyone in my family has had it already, anyway, including elderly relatives.

Oooh were they ok

Ffs.. I'll be seeing my parents.. we will hug and have a lovely Christmas..

They provide childcare anyway so not much difference!

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants oh please and what about the families of people lost to delayed cancer treatment /heart attacks /suicide

It makes me so cross - why can't people just knuckle down and have a quiet Christmas this year without endangering the lives of their older relatives?

Maybe because the older relatives are desperate to see their family.

The 60,000 that have already died? Would that be the ones with the average age of 82?

This appeared right next to the thread about suicides over lockdown as well. I can't believe people can't see what these horrible threads and ridiculous restrictions are causing really. Just be sensible and make your own risk assessment - why would there be a 'huge spike'? My children have 2 weeks off school and DH has 2 weeks off work. Socialising with 8 other people (from 4 different households, big shocker and so fucking what) over Christmas isn't going to remotely increase our risk compared to normal.

[quote Krampusnacht]@user1497207191 we can only say 'but what about...' for so long. Eventually with or without a vaccine we WILL have to start making our own decisions over what we personally are prepared to risk.

I cannot and will not be held accountable for every life in the country any more. It's time to put my own family first again. I'm sorry if that bothers you but acting like covid is the only killer out there HAS to stop. [/quote]
Well bloody said

@Mammyloveswine

Ffs.. I'll be seeing my parents.. we will hug and have a lovely Christmas..

They provide childcare anyway so not much difference!

Me too

@FreshFreesias

OP, stop interfering in other people’s lives (unless you are training to become a Covid Marshall). More people are dying from suicide than Covid so leave people alone.

That is simply not true.

I don’t trust the death rate figures. My gran was one of those 60,000 who apparently died from covid (on the death certificate) but she only had negative tests and was being sent home from hospital the day she died.

@wildbarnet thanks for asking, yes everyone is fine.

It’s allowed, not compulsory, so it’s up to each individual to make their own choice.

FWIW we havent seen family since March. We are seeing them at Christmas, simply because it’s been too long and we have collectively missed so much. But we are self isolating for 2 weeks beforehand, so the risk is very minimal imo.

@Lemononachair

Because I have no 'older relatives' (my last grandparent died earlier this year, completely unrelated to Covid). Because I lost my job and live rurally, I am completely isolated. Because I live in a part of the country that has very low risk. Because I have very few friends and a very low risk lifestyle. Because my MH has taken a real battering this year and if I have nothing to look forward to I'm at real risk of hurting myself. Because if I don't see them I will spend Christmas in my place, alone. I'm not prepared to do that. I will have to be physically imprisoned to not see my family.

I'm sorry you're having such a shitty time.

You're exactly the sort of person the exemptions that already exist are aimed at.

The Christmas Bubble isn't necessary for you to bubble with people.

The Christmas Bubble where people are trying to see as many people as possible is NUTS.

Because the elderly may want to take the small risk! Because they may have lived through far worse things than this and will take their chances.

WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THAT THE CONSTANT CORONAVIRUS THREADS ARE MIND NUMBINGLY BORING

[quote Krampusnacht]@user1497207191 we can only say 'but what about...' for so long. Eventually with or without a vaccine we WILL have to start making our own decisions over what we personally are prepared to risk.

I cannot and will not be held accountable for every life in the country any more. It's time to put my own family first again. I'm sorry if that bothers you but acting like covid is the only killer out there HAS to stop. [/quote]
Finally someone talking sense.

@Wishing14 Yep, not quite stacking up is it. I've heard the same story a fair few times, covid stated on death certificates when not test had been taken.

I'm not seeing anyone. I've got a DS at primary school and I do want school closing again, that would be the worst thing for us. So I'm not going to mix over Christmas and risk spreading Covid in the school. Plus I cannot work from home in my job and I have contact with a lot of people so don't want to potentially spread it to relatives.

I will be alone on Christmas day while DS is at his dad's. It's not a big deal for one year.

@theantsgomarchin

WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THAT THE CONSTANT CORONAVIRUS THREADS ARE MIND NUMBINGLY BORING

YOU CAN HIDE THE WHOLE TOPIC IF YOU WANT.

userxx Why would they (I’m not sure who I mean by “they” but you know what I mean!) want the numbers to be higher than necessary?

I don’t get that.

@Gingernaut I'm an extrovert and I'm not how you described. Why is it acceptable to be so rude about extroverts? It wouldn't be very nice or accurate if I said introverts are boring and anti social. Stop with the stereotypes.

They can’t put ‘old age’ on a death certificate ever since the Harold Shipman fiasco. But if there was another Harold Shipman, it’s simple, he’d just put ‘covid’ instead. It annoys me too because the uk look like we are dealing so badly with the pandemic. I truly believe the numbers are far lower

Wishing14 So what did they put on pre covid?

@Nicknacky No idea. Fuck knows what's it's all about. My friends brother was in hospital with pneumonia, they kept telling him he had covid but three negative tests told him otherwise, he was getting seriously pissed off it!

Wouldn’t they just put “heart failure” or similar?

My DPs grandad (89) and grandma (93) died of "COVID", when one was in for a massive stroke and the other terminal cancer. Both included in the figures.