Why can't people see that it is stupid to mix at Christmas?

[MagicSummer]

I know that the Government had to relax the rules for the 5-day period because so many people would have broken them anyway, but can people not see that mixing families, travelling and close contact is going to cause another spike in the New Year? It makes me so cross - why can't people just knuckle down and have a quiet Christmas this year without endangering the lives of their older relatives?

Please please stop posting this total drivel. OP do you really think your petulant post will change anyone's mind? Do you think even if as expected the majority of people stay at home that we won't continue to be locked down till March regardless? In my area we've been locked down for around 7 weeks now and still we're in tier 3. And I see no sign of people breaking the rules. But let's perpetuate a myth that it's the public's fault rather than the government not having a true understanding of transmission. Let's have everyone arguing with each other because it distracts from government failings. How come only 0.2% of school children have actually had Covid if it's so so virilant. How come all those people on Bournemouth beach didn't cause a huge spike (as so many on MN were positive it would). Reality is no one has any idea yet what effect Christmas will have. We've been in lockdown months and months - it's is so clear that it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing!

cantkeepawayforever you can fuck off with your good wishes about my dad. Don’t even dare.

@Nicknacky

cantkeepawayforever You don’t see the relevance of suicide?

Do you have statistics for:

Deaths caused by Covud vs
suicide by those affected by lockdown but not bereavement / trauma caused by an actual covid case vs
suicide related to bereavement or e.g. nursing Covid cases?

I know that every life lost is a tragedy, but the oft repeated ' we need to risk Covid because of the suicide risk related to the restrictions' has never seemed to stack up statistically for me. Do you have the data, given your line of work?

Proper tragic died before their time
Please tell me I'm just tired and misinterpreting? You're not an eugenicist?
The 70,000 Covid deaths are tragic. And the majority were 'before their time' (including all the NHS workers who died).

@Krampusnacht

Everyone in my family has had it already, anyway, including elderly relatives.

Depending on how long ago you had it, but the experts are saying immunity only lasts for about 3 months.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are saying things like "nothing will stop me from seeing my elderly relatives" and "my 80 year old DM wants to see us regardless, she's not scared of it" have a loved one - especially an elderly one - who has had or who is suffering with Covid?

My 90 year old DGM is ill with Covid, given to her either by carers or nurses.

It's horrendous. We can't see her. We wait for updates when we can get them on how she is. She can speak on the phone a little but sounds terrible and can't stop coughing. Her getting through the weekend will hopefully be the turning point if she doesn't deteriorate further.

The worry is immense.

And if you catch it, or pass it on to someone vulnerable and you or they become seriously ill - are you or they really going to say "oh well don't take me to hospital - I made my own risk assessment"? Of course you're not. People are so selfish and clueless.

@cantkeepawayforever
You're welcome to join me (virtually) for a nightcap hot chocolate . I won't tell you to fuck off. I really must leave this thread. It's got a rather unpleasant atmosphere.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are saying things like "nothing will stop me from seeing my elderly relatives" and "my 80 year old DM wants to see us regardless, she's not scared of it" have a loved one - especially an elderly one - who has had or who is suffering with Covid?

My husband's grandfather died of it in April.

SheepandCow Its you that had made it unpleasant. You sit in judgment of people with no idea of what people go through in real life. That’s unpleasant.

Ah, OK. I hope he stays healthy throughout the winter, 'whether by luck or good judgement', as my mother would say

Did you mean to be so passive aggressive there?!

sheepandcow also seems to have a great deal of sympathy for health care workers and those whose mental health has been affected by dealing with the effects of covid, but no sympathy for those whose mental health has been affected by covid restrictions. Most of us are not so black and white and are capable of both.

And for @Nicknacky

@Nicknacky

SheepandCow Its you that had made it unpleasant. You sit in judgment of people with no idea of what people go through in real life. That’s unpleasant.

The irony!

I shan't wish you goodnight in case you tell me to fuck off, like you did to another poster who offered you kind wishes.

@Sandyplankton

I'd be interested to know how many people who are saying things like "nothing will stop me from seeing my elderly relatives" and "my 80 year old DM wants to see us regardless, she's not scared of it" have a loved one - especially an elderly one - who has had or who is suffering with Covid?

My husband's grandfather died of it in April.

Very sorry to hear that.

But like I say, there's no way I would be seeing elderly relatives - especially with the trauma of what my family is going through at the moment.

SheepandCow Oh don’t be so naive 😂😂

@Ilovemypantry

the experts are saying immunity only lasts for about 3 months

Source?

[quote Quaagars]@Ilovemypantry

the experts are saying immunity only lasts for about 3 months

Source?[/quote]
Look it up...try Google.

@Nicknacky

cantkeepawayforever Well, you can’t speak for them all!! I have a teacher coming to my house, two if you include a trainee teacher.

I'm going to a teacher's house. A secondary teacher at that.

Whilst mixing 5 children from 4 different schools.

The scandal.

But like I say, there's no way I would be seeing elderly relatives

I won't be seeing them either as they've decided they don't want to take the risk, which I fully respect.

shan't wish you goodnight in case you tell me to fuck off, like you did to another poster who offered you kind wishes.

Erm no, those wishes weren't kind. They were passive aggression personified.

Look it up...try Google

I could google yes, but seriously irritating when people come out with stuff as fact and can't be arsed to back up what they're saying, could be talking any old shite but doesn't stop them saying it.

Maybe I should tell my 66 year old overweight, diabetic dad to stop working since I’m such a danger to him.

Or I could let him be an adult in charge of his own spices?

@Doilooklikeatourist

Our elderly relatives are spending Christmas in a hotel , they are sparing the time to come and see us on the way there on Christmas Eve ( FIL is 85 and old enough to make his own decision )

As you say, your FIL is old enough to make his own decisions but unless they are the only ones at the hotel, they are taking a huge risk. Indoor settings are the worst for spreading the virus. I imagine they are having Xmas lunch at the hotel, in a dining room full of other people in a fairly confined environment.

@Quaagars

Look it up...try Google

I could google yes, but seriously irritating when people come out with stuff as fact and can't be arsed to back up what they're saying, could be talking any old shite but doesn't stop them saying it.

Seriously irritating when people shout “source” when they read something they don’t want to believe.

Seriously irritating when people shout “source” when they read something they don’t want to believe.
How do you figure that one out when I said I'll be sticking to the rules and always have?
Unless you've got everyone not in complete agreement with you pegged as a Trumpist or Covid denier?!